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Post by dave1800 on Mar 11, 2012 10:57:25 GMT
Hi Tommy Leave the G+T bottle open! It think the first thing to do is panic! Then check that the plug leads on the old engine (I assume Chris is using the old cap) were not 90 degrees out. Someone before Chris appears to have played with the dizzy hence the mangled bracket. You can fit the dizzy 90, 180 and 270 degrees out and make it run OK by rotating the plug leads accordingly, the only problem I recall being the vacuum advance mechanism fouling pipes in the "wrong" positions. If the timing chain was aligned with the dimples opposite each other it would be 180 degrees out (camshaft) not 90 degrees. Next is to check the valve timing, much easier with the engine out. Good luck, Chris, I 'm sure you have read Tommy's record breaking thread on this, and will need a share of the G+T or stronger. regards David Hi Chris! I'm a bit into the gin bottle, as well as the Norwegian Aquavit bottle.. However, I hope to reach you before you carry on.. Spelling might suffer.. Now, I know a thing or two about this! Turn the engine to TDC for cylinders one and four, when number one is firing, ie both valves on number one closed, when you have valve clearance on number one cylinder, valves on number four are just changing, one closing, one opening. No clearance on number four then. At this setting, insert the distributor drive gear, horizontally. Larger segment up. Try inserting the dizzy. Rotor arm should point roughly at 1- 2 o' clock, ie cap segment for cylinder one. NOTE: manuals are wrong when it comes to this. If you install the timing gears so the dots are close to each other makes it fire at number four cylinder. When dots are aligned, but furthest away from eachother it's firing on number one cylinder! Cheers:-) Tommy:-) |
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Post by tommydp on Mar 11, 2012 11:23:16 GMT
LOL:-) Sorry, the gin bottle is empty:-)
I'm however up again, refreshed, and about to plan another week of teaching:-)
I seem to recall earlier photos of Chris' engine where I noticed the distributor was in the correct position, with the advance unit pipe pointing to approximately spark plug number three. I believe the leads were also in the correct order, but I could be wrong:-)
Anyway, I'm sure you'll figure it out Chris and I guess it will be simple. Needless to say, in my experience it's important to be 110 % sure about the valve timing etc before installing the engine.
Good luck!
Regards, Tommy
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Post by Penguin45 on Mar 11, 2012 21:48:14 GMT
Hi Tommy Leave the G+T bottle open! It think the first thing to do is panic! Then check that the plug leads on the old engine (I assume Chris is using the old cap) were not 90 degrees out. Someone before Chris appears to have played with the dizzy hence the mangled bracket. You can fit the dizzy 90, 180 and 270 degrees out and make it run OK by rotating the plug leads accordingly, the only problem I recall being the vacuum advance mechanism fouling pipes in the "wrong" positions. If the timing chain was aligned with the dimples opposite each other it would be 180 degrees out (camshaft) not 90 degrees. Next is to check the valve timing, much easier with the engine out. Good luck, Chris, I 'm sure you have read Tommy's record breaking thread on this, and will need a share of the G+T or stronger. regards David Hi Chris! I'm a bit into the gin bottle, as well as the Norwegian Aquavit bottle.. However, I hope to reach you before you carry on.. Spelling might suffer.. Now, I know a thing or two about this! Turn the engine to TDC for cylinders one and four, when number one is firing, ie both valves on number one closed, when you have valve clearance on number one cylinder, valves on number four are just changing, one closing, one opening. No clearance on number four then. At this setting, insert the distributor drive gear, horizontally. Larger segment up. Try inserting the dizzy. Rotor arm should point roughly at 1- 2 o' clock, ie cap segment for cylinder one. NOTE: manuals are wrong when it comes to this. If you install the timing gears so the dots are close to each other makes it fire at number four cylinder. When dots are aligned, but furthest away from eachother it's firing on number one cylinder! Cheers:-) Tommy:-) Well, that turned out to be an interesting exercise. I got the dizzy fitted as per your instructions. The locking plate was recovered - nothing that a big hammer and a vice couldn't cope with....... ;D Armed with the knowledge that no. 1 lead should be at 1 o'clock, it was time to revisit the old engine. Sure enough, the distributor drive was 90 degrees out.  As originally fitted.  Correct! Move them all round one place anti-clockwise. Interesting little exercise in logic. Anyway, we now have a power unit ready for fitting.   Phwoar! if I do say so myself. Very pleased with that. Spent most of the afternoon struggling to get the suspension housing off. The compressor came into it's own, but even then the gun struggled. Got there in the end, although three of the four studs unwound, rather than the nuts.   Looks like a robotic eye staring back at you..........  A real fight then ensued to get the hose coupling apart. Something has gone pop in my shoulder, so it may be a couple of days before more progress is made. Thanks for the help and advice - it is appreciated. I'mm off for a couple of beers and a stiff (purely medicinal.......) scotch. Chris. |
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Post by Keef on Mar 12, 2012 2:00:53 GMT
Move them all round one place anti-clockwise. Interesting little exercise in logic. I should have spotted that, as I have a similar "problem" on Yoko. Only noticed when I borrowed her cap and leads for Victor one cold damp morning.  |
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Post by threelitre on Mar 12, 2012 11:08:49 GMT
Chris,
in the end this would not matter too much. Just swap the cables around... Find out which cylinder should fire (use the analogy about setting the clearance from tommy). I.e. if your engine is positioned so that No 2 should fire, run an ignition lead from where the rotor points to to No2 and the reconnect the rest following the ignition order. Works fine!
Regards,
Alexander
PS: D'oh - didn't read on before posting - you got it sorted I see! BTW, this is the way I got a MG Maestro 1600 (the talking one) running. Bought as a non-runner for 1 Euro, about 10 minutes of tinkering and it burst into life!
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Post by indianajones on Mar 12, 2012 20:18:17 GMT
Great progress Chris _b
-Andrew
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Post by Penguin45 on Mar 15, 2012 1:31:11 GMT
Run in some of the brake lines and fitted some rubber-lined clips to lock them in place whilst they are still easily accessible. Owing to an email exchange with my local 'Crab mentor, I have given in and painted the flywheel housing green. Bronze Green, post '64. It was fairly easy to get clean and wasn't particularly covered in oil; it's also the only bit that's really visible with the bonnet open. The actual gearbox can stay au natrelle.   Pictures do not reflect the actual colour. The paint is wet, it's dark and I'm having to use flash photography. Chris. |
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Post by Keef on Mar 15, 2012 1:44:26 GMT
I have given in and painted the flywheel housing green. ;D What's the funny little switch thingy on top? |
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Post by Penguin45 on Mar 15, 2012 9:31:39 GMT
Clutch release arm and grommet (removed to avoid the paint).
Chris.
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Post by Keef on Mar 16, 2012 2:59:46 GMT
Clutch release arm and grommet Ah! Is the grommet grey in real-life? (you may need to phone a friend or ask the audience) LOL |
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Post by dave1800 on Mar 17, 2012 6:38:07 GMT
My friend Wallis says they turn grey as they get old just like me! Regards David Clutch release arm and grommet Ah! Is the grommet grey in real-life? (you may need to phone a friend or ask the audience) LOL |
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Post by Keef on Mar 18, 2012 0:48:01 GMT
My friend Wallis says they turn grey as they get old just like me!  Only time I have seen grey rubber is when they have been oil contaminated, which might well be the case here I 'spose? |
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Post by Penguin45 on Mar 18, 2012 19:44:30 GMT
It has taken all afternoon, but it's back in the car and bolted down.  Chris. |
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Post by Keef on Mar 19, 2012 0:12:55 GMT
It has taken all afternoon, but it's back in the car and bolted down. Looking smart.  |
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Post by indianajones on Mar 19, 2012 0:13:56 GMT
Nice work Chris -Andrew |
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Hi Chris! I'm a bit into the gin bottle, as well as the Norwegian Aquavit bottle.. However, I hope to reach you before you carry on.. Spelling might suffer..
A real fight then ensued to get the hose coupling apart. Something has gone pop in my shoulder, so it may be a couple of days before more progress is made.
