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OKR
Aug 28, 2020 21:03:34 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Aug 28, 2020 21:03:34 GMT
Thanks Chris I will try copper with a piece of scrap as I need the practice if Im going to get it any better! Never occured to me to use metal but copper makes sense. I have not seen that done. I assume it has the same effect as the tile? How thick a piece of copper do you need? I did see on UTube a guy spot weld a piece of steel over the hole he had that was too large. Then he cut it out with a grinder in small sections pushing it flush and respotting as he cut, to get the correct shape. That gave him a gap all round with the piece tacked in flush. He had the blade at an angle to minimise the cut width. I don't think I have the skill for that! Plus his was a square hole. What do you think about the doubled section in the floor. Should I fill the gap only or make it cover the whole area? My old attempt just had a piece of plate poorly welded over the gap seen in the photo. Some of the floor was the thick plate below. Not much doubled metal like this and not much corrosion. Yes it sadly is a common hole because of the doubled section! I could have just added more weld as the metal was there. It was a bit hard to make it tidy without starting again though! Nick Good effort there, Nick. May I suggest? 1/ Ditch the tiles. Nice off-cut of copper is what you want. It'll take the heat and you can also clamp/lock/fix it behind the work, adding some stability as you go. 2/ Leave a tiny gap. You'll be working mainly with 0.9/1mm steel, so a 1mm gap is good. If you don't, the danger is that your welds sit on the surface and don't go right through (As you have noticed). Flatting back leaves a dangerously thin amount of weld. Gas welding wants an exact fit, so you don't have to use much filler rod. MIG welding works by ADDING filler rod (wire) and therefore you're looking at filling the gap. The hole looks rather familiar, BTW. Chris.
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OKR
Aug 29, 2020 8:31:47 GMT
Post by Penguin45 on Aug 29, 2020 8:31:47 GMT
I've got a 2" wide 2' length of 5mm copper strip from when they renewed the lightning conductor at church! Very solid. The floor panel really should be full size. Flange up into the bulkhead, flange into the inner sill; both for plug welding. Butt weld along the rear and inboard side, then plug weld it to the gussett plate underneath. VOF707J by Penguin 45, on Flickr VOF707J by Penguin 45, on Flickr Bit of a combination of these two. I think the main thing is to flood the area underneath with cavity wax through the big hole in the gusset plate afterwards to slow down any recurrence. Friend Vince in Melbourne uses an Oz product called Lanox, over her I use Dynax S-50. Chris.
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OKR
Aug 29, 2020 23:37:54 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Aug 29, 2020 23:37:54 GMT
Thanks Chris
I found a bit of 1-1/2" copper pipe and attacked it with a hammer to make it flat. I will look for a thicker bit. It worked a treat though on some scrap. Not quite as good penetration as the tile because of conduction, but I think I just needed to up the power a bit on the welder or perhaps I needed slightly more gap. As you said it is much better to clamp to and conducts away the heat so not as easy to warp the weld. The tile worked well but was very fragile unlike the copper. Great tip!
Thanks for the pictures. When you do your plug welds how big a hole do you drill. Its been a while. I did find an optimum power V hole size but can't remember what it was now!
Nick
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OKR
Aug 30, 2020 8:52:05 GMT
Post by Penguin45 on Aug 30, 2020 8:52:05 GMT
Up the wire speed a little for plug welding. Use 5 or 6 mm holes. Two methods to perform the weld. First is to centre the wire exactly in the middle, pull the trigger and let the weld flow outwards. This can lead to rather heaped welds that need a lot of flatting. Other method is to set the wire at the edge of the hole, pull the trigger and move quickly in a small circle. This does require a bit of practice to completely fill the hole, but usually requires less grinding back.
C.
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OKR
Aug 31, 2020 9:27:23 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Aug 31, 2020 9:27:23 GMT
Thanks Chris I was going to have a crack at it today. I still have to clean the underside of the repair area of rust and underseal, so I started up and backed out of the garage a bit. Then realised I could smell petrol, looked outside to see a rather large and expanding puddle of petrol under the car! Engine off quick as one of the carbs was flooding! Very odd as I transfered the rubber tipped float valves to this set of carbs. This cured the flooding problem with the old set and not a problem up to today with the replacement set. Its not filling me with confidence! No welding today! Spent some time putting back the pressure reduced I had removed while doing the carb swap. It made no difference, putting more fuel all over the diff. Turned it off a bit quicker this time! Pulled the offending float apart for a look, found nothing. Put it back no flooding. Its a brand new filter and the pipes are new! Nothing found inside at all but now working again. Perhaps a small piece of crud in the valve, I hope! Spent the rest of the time messing up the mixture adjustment and carb ballance! Time to give up as I am supposed to be making it better! Checked the timing with the strobe found it about 15°. Checked later with a colder engine and it was 12°. Thought that was a bit odd. Better leave it for a new day! Nick Up the wire speed a little for plug welding. Use 5 or 6 mm holes. Two methods to perform the weld. First is to centre the wire exactly in the middle, pull the trigger and let the weld flow outwards. This can lead to rather heaped welds that need a lot of flatting. Other method is to set the wire at the edge of the hole, pull the trigger and move quickly in a small circle. This does require a bit of practice to completely fill the hole, but usually requires less grinding back. C.
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Aug 31, 2020 19:31:30 GMT
Post by andrewa on Aug 31, 2020 19:31:30 GMT
Glad to see you're back on the case and moving fwd - albeit it must feel like three steps forward, two steps back sometimes. Am going through same thing with my new purchase - fix one thing, highlights another - nothing horrendous - mainly electrical, which I'm rubbish at and far too many of those scotchlocks installed by previous custodians for my liking. Carb will be the next thing to get attention - mines on an Edelbrock 4 barrel which is 20 years old and could do with a freshen up - what's great about it is a complete rebuild kit is very inexpensive and extremely comprehensive so how wrong can i go?? Very - probably! Hope your carbs have fixed themselves for good. Cheers Andrew
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Sept 1, 2020 2:00:31 GMT
Post by dave1800 on Sept 1, 2020 2:00:31 GMT
Hi Andrew
A nice Autumn project would be to replace all of the Scotchlock connectors before they cause problems. Easy to say but quite a daunting task. You should become an expert in vehicle wiring by the end of the exercise! At least you can do it a little at the time. I imagine the Bristol has a few more fuses that the crab!
David
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Sept 1, 2020 3:29:16 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Sept 1, 2020 3:29:16 GMT
Hi Andrew
Indeed you can get it very wrong as I found out yesterday with the carb balance! Oh well, had a chop today with much better results. Perhaps the old girl was just cranky yesterday!
Glad to hear nothing drastic with your Bristol. Old cars though! You have to go through them don't you to avoid coming home on a low loader every 5 minutes!
Im hearing you with the electrics! I have already done quite a bit of work on OKR's wiring. Making my way through all the areas of hidden issues! Most things with the car are nothing drastic like yours though. All the drastic stuff was done 25 years ago. Lucky for me I have done quite a bit of electrical/electronics over the years which helps with wiring issues on 47 year old cars! Chris and David knowledge is also very helpful!
We are all waiting for a Bristol thread mate. I am sure nobody will mind! Landcrab - Bristol almost the same!😁 Both old and both got 4 wheels, see same!
Nick
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Sept 1, 2020 7:45:48 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Sept 1, 2020 7:45:48 GMT
I think I need some carb needle advice.
Old set of twins (2x standard carbs on a modified MGB inlet manifold) had TZ needles. Seemed fine no issues with tickover mixture. From memory 30 + years ago these needles were sold to me as standard "S" needles. The replacement RH proper "S" carb seemed very odd. Thought I had it close today but no, sooty plugs! RH carb acting weak but with sooty plugs 1&2 huh?? LH not perfect but ok looking plugs 3&4. So LH carb more normal. Engine runs fine but running on alot! Not happy with it so pulled the needles to find C1 as far as I can see with the RH having a very worn spot in the tickover area. Also the needle step wont go in flush. Bingo! So what needles should I use?
As it stands standard MK3 cam, Low compression MGB pistons fitted by dad and standard MK3 head.
Help appreciated.
So far I have found a good set of TZ and RH needles plus a poor set of C1's. They might say CI not 100%
Nick
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Sept 2, 2020 0:50:00 GMT
Post by dave1800 on Sept 2, 2020 0:50:00 GMT
Hi Nick
The standard "S" needle was TZ, C1 = rich and C1W = weak. For the single carb engines the same needle was specified for both HC and LC versions so the fact you have low compression MGB pistons with a standard Mk111 head appears not to be an issue.
I suggest double checking the float needle valve to ensure it is not sticking or gummed up through fuel evaporation, they can be quite problematical even the viton tip type and ensure the float is not leaking. Check the piston drop time for each carb is the same and the slinky springs are identical. Also worth checking the fuel levels in both jets are identical (the latter shouldn't matter in theory but....).
I see from one of your earlier pics that you have a plastic nylon fuel filter, maybe a metal one would be safer in that location although it wouldn't have the benefit of being see through.
David
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Sept 2, 2020 4:49:48 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Sept 2, 2020 4:49:48 GMT
Thanks David I have gone with the TZ needles as it was ok mixture wise in the mgb style carb setup before. Cleaned the float needle valves so hopfully no more flooding. So far so good. Tried to check the piston drop time and found that the LH carb piston was not dropping to the bottom but fouling on the new jet. Put a different jet on and same thing. Scratched my head for a while wondering how you center the jet. Took one of the removed carbs apart and tried that one and made that bind in the attempt. Ahh! Then thought I better try with the jet height adjuster nut and spring removed as it was stopping the thing from centering on the jet before tightening. This worked. Found out it is much harder to do with the carbs fitted on the car! After much messing around and a second new jet got it nice and free. So the spings are identical. Check. The pistons drop with one click as they both hit the bottom at the same time. So piston drop test now a pass. Thought I better start from scratch with the jet level with the bridge. Screwed it richer as per the book. Start up. Running ok but backfiring when reved. Another Ahhh moment and couple of bad words said but nothing broken! Unscrewed the dampers to see if they were lifting together and found no oil! Idiot! That fixed the backfiring. Proceeded to adjust the mixture. Found what I thought was a good spot on both carbs with good sucess this time. Took out the plugs all were much better. Still a little rich but much more reasonable. Happy to leave it until I can go for a drive now. Thanks again David Nick
Hi Nick The standard "S" needle was TZ, C1 = rich and C1W = weak. For the single carb engines the same needle was specified for both HC and LC versions so the fact you have low compression MGB pistons with a standard Mk111 head appears not to be an issue. I suggest double checking the float needle valve to ensure it is not sticking or gummed up through fuel evaporation, they can be quite problematical even the viton tip type and ensure the float is not leaking. Check the piston drop time for each carb is the same and the slinky springs are identical. Also worth checking the fuel levels in both jets are identical (the latter shouldn't matter in theory but....). I see from one of your earlier pics that you have a plastic nylon fuel filter, maybe a metal one would be safer in that location although it wouldn't have the benefit of being see through. David
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Sept 2, 2020 6:37:17 GMT
Post by dave1800 on Sept 2, 2020 6:37:17 GMT
Hi Nick That looks promising. Centering the needle in the jet, which as you say is far easier off the car is essential after a rebuild. There is another check suggested by John Twist if you have problems balancing the carbs. That is to ensure each piston drops at approximately the same rate from the suction chamber when inverted (and air holes plugged). The pistons and chambers are matched pairs. If the pistons have accidentally been swopped over this may result in each carb behaving differently. Here is a link that demonstrates how to carry out this test. David
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Sept 3, 2020 7:18:20 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Sept 3, 2020 7:18:20 GMT
Im going to have to check that one and if it is an issue it will be self inflicted! I could not get the TZ needle out of one of the old pistons. I didn't want to damage it so have used the whole piston in the RH 'S' carb. It now does not have its matching piston! I can't use the old carb pair as the old carbs are not handed like the 'S' carbs are! My dodgy set up from years ago! I still have to fine tune the balance so will check them then. If its an issue I will get a new set of TZ's and put the matching piston back.
Thanks for the heads up David. Welding floor next job!
Nick
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Sept 3, 2020 7:22:06 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Sept 3, 2020 7:22:06 GMT
It has just occured to me that I could just swap the needles and fit the stuck pair on the LH side. I probably won't unless it fails the check though as its more work!
Nick
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Sept 17, 2020 16:56:39 GMT
Post by Penguin45 on Sept 17, 2020 16:56:39 GMT
Just done some plug welding on the bobber project. Bobber by Penguin 45, on Flickr Bottom two are the "stationary" method. Centre the wire, pull the trigger and wait for the melt to fill the hole. Top one is the "round in a small circle" method. The bottom two are both incomplete - you can see a small area where the weld hasn't flowed. Top one's perfect. Ahem. Bobber by Penguin 45, on Flickr Bottom two revisited and "touched in". Looks scruffy. Bobber by Penguin 45, on Flickr But, hey! Flat them off and no-one will ever know. Chris.
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