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Post by Penguin45 on Mar 13, 2018 0:10:12 GMT
An idle thought - I note that you've replaced the water pump; you did fit the correct replacement? There are four common "B" pumps - long nose, short nose, big impellor, small impellor. A small impellor pump will not circulate the water properly on the 1800 engine.
Chris.
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Post by dave1800 on Mar 13, 2018 1:57:08 GMT
What I meant was that if you checked the vacuum when the engine was cold - if you had the choke out when you found 5" Hg - the choke mechanism also opens the carb throttle butterfly so that lowers the manifold vacuum. If the choke was in and the vacuum rose as the engine heated up that suggests a vacuum leak between two surfaces that seals as they expand with heat - manifold gasket maybe. As far as the weeping core-plugs go I suspect this just prevents the water pressure from holding up when you turn off the engine. You can test this by letting the engine reach normal running temperature, turn off and check for residual pressure after say 15 minutes by releasing the pressure cap - slowly and carefully! If there's very little or no pressure then the leak may be slightly affecting temperature - I've seen about 3mm movement on the temp gauge with a slight pressure leak. Sometimes these things can weep just while the block heats or cools. Best keep an eye on them and the water level, it's not too hard to replace those on the front of the engine but the one at the rear is a problem. Is the weeping from around the edge of the plugs or are there pin holes in them? David Hi Dave I'll check the gauge and have a look at the choke setting. Yes I agree the radiator should be clean after recoring. You mentioned earlier a small water leak, being enough to reduce the pressure and cooling efficiency. While putting the grill on yesterday I notice a bit of water seeping at the welsh plugs (green - coolant colour.) The water level in the radiator is good. Regards Paddy
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Post by paddymk2 on Mar 14, 2018 9:24:09 GMT
Hi Chris, I can't really remember - but I ended up going to the shop (far far side of town) who is helpful on crabs and other british cars. Is there a code or style I could say that the shopkeeper would recognise? It fitted in fine but was not identical to the OEM part. How small is small? I'd rather not have to pull it out to check. But you know, thinking back when I went to fetch the carI had it running for at least 1/2 hr and I don't remember it being hot. So it could be something I've done (like clean it too much and dislodge some crap.)
Hi Dave, The choke was all the way in. But I'll check that I haven't got it snagging or something. Thanks for the comments on the core plugs -so its not the end of the world just yet(?) - its at the front near the distributor a bit concealed by the tube going off to the heater. Will keep an eye on it.
Regards Paddy
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Post by dave1800 on Mar 14, 2018 12:59:10 GMT
That's the core plug that the MG guys complain leaks first - you're getting there definitely not the end of the world!
David
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Post by Penguin45 on Mar 15, 2018 0:46:38 GMT
GWP103 – 60mm impellor. 95mm from gasket flange to front of pulley flange. GWP115 – 60mm impellor. 105mm from gasket flange to front of pulley flange. GWP114 – 71mm impellor. 105mm from gasket flange to front of pulley flange. GWP130 – 71mm impellor. 83mm from gasket flange to front of pulley flange.
Our pump is the GWP130.
Chris.
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Post by paddymk2 on Mar 15, 2018 2:13:40 GMT
Thanks Chris - I'll see if I can see anything written on the pump. Cheers Paddy
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Post by dave1800 on Mar 16, 2018 4:14:22 GMT
It could also be a GWP131 used on some crab models with alternators - same dimensions as GWP130 below. Can you measure the diameter of the fan pulley as the (later?) Oz versions were smaller to provide better circulation. Sorry, I don't have the details but if you post then we can confirm you have the correct version for your territory. David GWP103 – 60mm impellor. 95mm from gasket flange to front of pulley flange. GWP115 – 60mm impellor. 105mm from gasket flange to front of pulley flange. GWP114 – 71mm impellor. 105mm from gasket flange to front of pulley flange. GWP130 – 71mm impellor. 83mm from gasket flange to front of pulley flange. Our pump is the GWP130. Chris.
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Post by paddymk2 on Mar 16, 2018 11:55:32 GMT
The only thing I could see was this - same location as the MOWOG name on the original part. Its really hard to read that but it says something like GOVNTY Thanks for the comment Dave I'll get the dimensions of the pulley...
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Post by paddymk2 on Mar 17, 2018 1:31:13 GMT
Hi Dave that fan pulley is about 130mm. the car is 1969. Im wondering if an up graded mini fan would fit? i guess the mg fans draw instead of push. Paddy
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Post by dave1800 on Mar 17, 2018 3:00:38 GMT
I will get back to you asap to confirm whether you have the correct fan pulley. I would advise trying to get to the bottom of the problem by getting the basics right before experimenting with other fans. Some of the Mini fans for example were designed to reduce noise but were less effective and as you say the MGB pulled the air as well as being designed for different spacing.
regards
David
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Post by paddymk2 on Mar 17, 2018 5:06:38 GMT
Hi Chris - I found the receipt for the water pump GWP130, so that's cleared that up. Paddy
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Post by dave1800 on Mar 17, 2018 6:11:40 GMT
Ok, so we're eliminating potential component issues.
As you noticed the vacuum improve as the engine heated up this is strong evidence there is a leak between two mating surfaces. Can you double check for an air leak; that would definitely cause the mixture to run weak at idle and lead to overheating. There are only a few areas to check:
manifold to cylinder head gasket - gasket Ok, bolts tight carb to manifold gasket - ensure all mating surfaces are clean and flat, undistorted and bolts tight brake vacuum take off from manifold, PCV pipe take off from manifold carb throttle spindle wear (temporary seal end of throttle shaft with petroleum jelly vacuum advance pipe to distributor
When you remove the oil filler cap with the engine at running temp how much does the idle speed increase? If less that around 150 rpm or if it hestitates the mixture is too weak, make sure the carb resvoir is topped up with oil.
If you are certain all this is OK then re-check the manifold vacuum and advance the timing by rotating the distributor until the gauge reads 18-20" and note the stroboscopic advance, then return it to its current timing setting. This will indicate if there may be an issue with valve timing or ignition timing mark error.
David
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Post by dave1800 on Mar 17, 2018 11:15:00 GMT
We now have measurements of two pulleys across their diameter to the outside edge - 124mm and 142mm, I think the difference is only an issue when the ambient temp is high. David Hi Dave that fan pulley is about 130mm. the car is 1969. Im wondering if an up graded mini fan would fit? i guess the mg fans draw instead of push. Paddy
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Post by paddymk2 on Mar 18, 2018 2:16:35 GMT
Hi Dave, I checked for leaks around the manifold. I inspected the joints, tried to hear any hissing, and then gave a dust of carby cleaner (Engine pretty cold and fix extinguisher ready) manifold to cylinder head gasket - good carb to manifold gasket - possible slight leak, re-tightened bolts at phenolic spacer - seems good PCV pipe take off from manifold -good vacuum advance pipe to distributor - good Pipe to booster - good carb throttle spindle wear (temporary seal end of throttle shaft with petroleum jelly vacuum advance pipe to distributor - I wasn't really sure what and how much so I'll need to do that again.I checked the boost in RPM by removing the cap. It went from about 700-740 to about 880-900. Also there still a bit of black smoke puffing out the tail pipe. Its a bit cooler today - it took longer but the temp still crept up to above normal. Ill pull off the grill and wheel and set up for the stroboscope Paddy
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Post by dave1800 on Mar 18, 2018 4:04:36 GMT
The increase in speed when removing the oil filler cap is about right indicating the PCV is working and the mixture isn't too far out. Just checking did you use new gaskets when fitting the phenolic spacer, the carb mating surfaces can distort slightly over time if incorrectly tightened.
Hopefully the ignition and manifold vacuum test will identify something.
David
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