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Oct 25, 2018 11:10:29 GMT
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Post by rosieuk on Oct 25, 2018 11:10:29 GMT
Just been up to the garage - oil relief has been replaced and the old spring when measured is 2mm shorter than it should be. Brakes are done & with the correct pads and pins - supplier of the ones I got has refunded me in full. The only way you can change a firing order would be to replace the camshaft - and then gimmick the distributor so the the right cylinder is firing at the right time (basically swap the leads around on the distributor cap to suit the new order). I think it'd be possible to use the mini injection system on a bored engine - it's a matter of increasing the injector size so you get more fuel in the same time frame but the calculations are a lot of math - the duty rate apparently is 58% at torque max - so you need to work out the fuel requirement then spec an injector with a max flow 42% larger than the fuel requirement figure. Its just whether the computer can handle it. As to Priscus he likes the vet - it was just strange - I pick him up and he doesn't like it - but he's never in 4 years calmly climbed up on me and curled around my shoulders like an 11lb scarf before - even stranger he was rolling 5 minutes before, wanting to be put down. Will see what happens when the car comes back but I'm pretty sure I'll have better oil pressure (2mm short on the spring is likely enough to trigger the bypass) , doubt the brakes will change much. Oddly the old spring is worn smooth in places so it's rubbing a little on the casing.
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DFD702K.
Oct 25, 2018 11:29:19 GMT
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Post by rosieuk on Oct 25, 2018 11:29:19 GMT
If I change the flasher it'll be for a LED suitable relay that will run a mixed system. The current draw on the headlights is something like 2.5 amps.
I didn't actually realise that article had been printed - the people I was talking to on the subject kind of went quiet on it but the situation was nasty - and the state of the fuel line was terrifying. It looked fine, until you bent it, and then it was about 50% cracks held together by wishful thinking.. How it held up all the way home between 55-70mph... I've still got to replace the other end (tank to main steel line) but that one seems in a lot better condition (maybe because it's cooler back there).
Driving the car is fine, the only time it's a hassle is it *hates* choke & 2nd gear when cold but I know what causes the shifting to 2nd problem and the other one is something I can live with. It'll keep up with traffic no problem - but for the life of me I can't figure out why so many idiots walk out in front of me for an impromptu brake test & public information film reboot.. The brakes are surprisingly good but don't they realise it's old?
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Post by Penguin45 on Oct 25, 2018 23:17:11 GMT
I am curious about the Splitfire ignition you have fitted, I believe this was the one that combined CDI and switched inductance charge, but can't seem to find any details of the distributor models anywhere nowadays, only direct ignition, and reference to Splifire spark plugs. David The coil lead is supplied by Sussex Promotions - HERE. It is basically the old penny inserted in the wire device from many years ago. They are also the company which will supply you some lead musket balls wrapped in chicken mesh to drop into your fuel tank in order to act as a lead substitute. Sp litfire was a brand of spark plug using a bifurcated earth electrode, supposedly to improve spark quality. They were pursued for misleading advertising in the US and are now rarely seen. Chris.
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 26, 2018 0:06:56 GMT
Thanks Chris. It's similar those units that demonstrated you could ignite a cigarette paper as it created multiple sparks instead of one advertised in the 60s. I believe they acted as capacitors and were discredited so it may be better to discard it. I like the company's address, sort of appropriate. David I am curious about the Splitfire ignition you have fitted, I believe this was the one that combined CDI and switched inductance charge, but can't seem to find any details of the distributor models anywhere nowadays, only direct ignition, and reference to Splifire spark plugs. David The coil lead is supplied by Sussex Promotions - HERE. It is basically the old penny inserted in the wire device from many years ago. They are also the company which will supply you some lead musket balls wrapped in chicken mesh to drop into your fuel tank in order to act as a lead substitute. Sp litfire was a brand of spark plug using a bifurcated earth electrode, supposedly to improve spark quality. They were pursued for misleading advertising in the US and are now rarely seen. Chris.
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 26, 2018 1:45:02 GMT
I'm curious about your LED headlamps. There are hundreds out there, some good others worse than useless or with illegal beam patterns. All the good ones seem to have fairly elaborate heatsinks to ensure the LEDs don't overheat. They typically use a fan or have sufficient aluminium fins to dissipate the heat. I wonder how these can work in the crab which like many cars of that age have the rear of the lamps exposed to road dirt and moisture? Did you have to fit a deflector? Baulking when changing down to second gear especially when the oil is cold is a known issue and can be improved slightly by adjusting the idle speed or matching the revs. Worth checking that the clutch is fully disengaging and not being impeded by the carpet. The issue with the choke can have many causes but usually indicates the engine is not tuned correctly. David If I change the flasher it'll be for a LED suitable relay that will run a mixed system. The current draw on the headlights is something like 2.5 amps. ..... Driving the car is fine, the only time it's a hassle is it *hates* choke & 2nd gear when cold but I know what causes the shifting to 2nd problem and the other one is something I can live with. It'll keep up with traffic no problem - but for the life of me I can't figure out why so many idiots walk out in front of me for an impromptu brake test & public information film reboot.. The brakes are surprisingly good but don't they realise it's old?
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DFD702K.
Oct 26, 2018 13:27:48 GMT
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Post by rosieuk on Oct 26, 2018 13:27:48 GMT
I'm curious about your LED headlamps. There are hundreds out there, some good others worse than useless or with illegal beam patterns. All the good ones seem to have fairly elaborate heatsinks to ensure the LEDs don't overheat. They typically use a fan or have sufficient aluminium fins to dissipate the heat. I wonder how these can work in the crab which like many cars of that age have the rear of the lamps exposed to road dirt and moisture? Did you have to fit a deflector? Baulking when changing down to second gear especially when the oil is cold is a known issue and can be improved slightly by adjusting the idle speed or matching the revs. Worth checking that the clutch is fully disengaging and not being impeded by the carpet. The issue with the choke can have many causes but usually indicates the engine is not tuned correctly. David If I change the flasher it'll be for a LED suitable relay that will run a mixed system. The current draw on the headlights is something like 2.5 amps. ..... Driving the car is fine, the only time it's a hassle is it *hates* choke & 2nd gear when cold but I know what causes the shifting to 2nd problem and the other one is something I can live with. It'll keep up with traffic no problem - but for the life of me I can't figure out why so many idiots walk out in front of me for an impromptu brake test & public information film reboot.. The brakes are surprisingly good but don't they realise it's old? The lights are DOT marked and *much* brighter than the originals although the light is much whiter. They're a 7" sealed beam unit with a black plastic coating on the back and an H4 (three pin) connector. I've not been flashed by anyone while using them (except inadvertently leaving high beam on) and they give a good light without killing the battery. I'm not sure what you mean by open at the back - there's a tiny wiring gap - there doesn't seem to be any heat problem since they're supposed to be used in motorcycle headlights too and they're much tighter than the W. It also probably helps that the light mounts are outside the engine bay. While it's true that the wiring is probably not fantastic it's definitely helping dropping from a 5/5.5amp draw to a 2.3/2.9amp draw. I didn't fit any shield because the back is very well sealed and there wouldn't be room anyway (even if you could get one). Well, the car is back. On the upside the horn is now securely connected to the car, the replacement pads have been fitted and the mixture is now better but still not right - it'll manage 60-63mph before it starts to play up. On the downside there is a infinitesimal improvement in oil pressure and the fuel gauge has decided to play silly buggers by dropping to 3/4 full when I've only just filled up (which I suspect is something to do with the garage having it stood up on the lift at a ridiculous angle, tail down. It's done 34 miles and dropped the same amount it usually does after more than twice that. Asked them to trim the bolts on the intake and they've been comprehensively wrecked - and then double bolted with nylocks which wasn't what I asked for. I've ordered some nylock nuts so I'll remove both and replace them when they arrive. The problem with second isn't changing down - that's fine. It's getting into second when the engine is cold & it's because of the lucas oil stabiliser - it does it maybe twice then it's as smooth as silk - up and down. Just talked to two people today who either owned one or whose relatives did, a Morris & a '68 18/85.
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Oct 26, 2018 13:37:16 GMT
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Post by rosieuk on Oct 26, 2018 13:37:16 GMT
Regarding the intake - it's certainly made a difference. The engine will pull from lower speeds in a given gear (from 25mph in top) without bogging & complaining and given the evidence - when the mixture is sorted out - will accelerate better in the gears too. The vacuum advance position on the dizzy is an odd one but I don't think it's anything to do with the bad running because this started the very first run after I changed the filter. It was never a problem before I did that - but the minute that filter went in the problems started.
Apologies for the essay.
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Oct 26, 2018 17:25:28 GMT
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Post by rosieuk on Oct 26, 2018 17:25:28 GMT
Re idle speed, I've set that so when the engine is nice and hot - it's just quick enough so the charge light isn't coming on, but no faster. I don't know but I think the choke on the W works different from the Sceptre in that the Sceptre one is choke all the way - but this is a speed up + choke. I think I just need to get used to it.
The headlights were £60 a side and as I understand it the entire backplate is an aluminium heatsink, so there shouldn't be any heat issues. I did consider additional 4" units 7/4 outboard/inboard but completely unnecessary. Not that I do much night driving.
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 27, 2018 10:05:55 GMT
Rosie, do you own or have access to a voltmeter (multimeter etc)either digital or analogue?
regards
David
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Oct 28, 2018 17:49:21 GMT
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Post by rosieuk on Oct 28, 2018 17:49:21 GMT
Rosie, do you own or have access to a voltmeter (multimeter etc)either digital or analogue? regards David No, I think a neighbour probably has one, but I've no clue what to do with one. I am not going to be fiddling with electrics - I'm guaranteed to do something fatal to the car. I doubt that wiring looms for this car are available off the shelf. I do have a question about that distributor though. In the time I've owned it the car has only got into the N zone twice - the hottest two days this year in stop go traffic. Other than that it hovers between half way and 7/8ths between cold and N. Researching it has suggested that a cool running engine will probably be running too much advance - does the odd position of the distributor look like its set up over advanced? I've found I'm using the choke wrong - so that'll solve that problem. The fuel gauge is odd. It suddenly dropped a segment after being at the garage but so far as I can tell it's reset to normal - ie F on the gauge = a full tank, not F + another phantom 1/4. A bit annoyed they "tuned" it without even taking it for a test - but hey.
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 29, 2018 0:08:18 GMT
I understand, many do not like electrics, especially car electrics not many people do! However, it may well be that your odd fuel and temperature gauge readings are down to the same basic issue as the dim headlamps and slow flasher unit.
If this is the case, and I think it highly probable, then the issue is either a problem with the charging system, dynamo / voltage regulator or with the wiring.
We are not talking about replacing wiring looms, just taking a couple of voltage readings to discount a problem with the voltage regulator or dynamo. It can be a simple as a bad earth on the regulator that wasn't uncommon even when the cars were 5 years old and is a 5 minute fix - it was a design fault.
If you want to have a go, let us know and we will talk you through some simple checks.
If the dynamo and voltage regulator check out OK then the issue would seem to relate to the wiring/switches/connectors/ fuses.
As you seem to like numbers, here are some to play with. The original headlamps were dim, let’s say they were standard 40/45 watt bulbs /sealed beam units.
At full brightness you would expect around 13v at the headlight allowing for a charging voltage of 13.8v and typical maximum acceptable l wiring /switch losses with the engine running.
The fact they were dim suggests they may have only been receiving (at a guess) 11v. There is therefore a loss of 2.8 volts (13.8-11). Using the formula power (watts) = volt x current. A single 40 watt bulb at 13.8v takes 2.9 amps or 5.8 amps for the pair. The power loss in this example is 2.8v x 5.8v = 16.2 watts. I have a small soldering iron rated at 15 watts that reaches a temperature of well over >250C.
If the loss occurs over a large area eg along the length of a wire then it probably won’t be an issue, but usually if in a wire it is at a small portion that is damaged or corroded. Similarly if it at a connector it could create a hazard by heating up as much as my soldering iron! That’s why I suggest any electrical issues are resolved rather than taking short cuts.
Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable not knowing the cause of an electrical issue because of the potential fire risk.
Do you have a link for the LED headlights, I've not been able to find any so far suitable for the hostile environment of the crab /mini etc.
David
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 29, 2018 1:28:44 GMT
It is possible to rotate the distributor by 90 degrees and move the plug leads round to the next connector on the distributor cap and retain the correct ignition timing. However your distributor appears to be other than 90 degrees offset. This indicates to me that the ignition and/or valve timing may be incorrect or that the distributor drive gear has been inserted in another position than indicated in the w/s manual. This suggests that there has been work on the engine and that this should be investigated before wasting time and money on tuning the carb. Your ignition timing can be easily checked and just takes a few minutes. Checking the valve timing is a little harder just take it one step at a time, ignition timing first. You would be amazed at just how far the ignition and valve timing can be out and the engine still run unlike a modern car or even some of its contemporaries. Unless these are resolved you will be wasting your time trying to tune the car. The carb is the last item to check after all ignition, valve clearances and YES the correct voltage is present to drive the coil! David The vacuum advance position on the dizzy is an odd one but I don't think it's anything to do with the bad running because this started the very first run after I changed the filter. It was never a problem before I did that - but the minute that filter went in the problems started. Apologies for the essay.
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Nov 1, 2018 10:39:10 GMT
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Post by rosieuk on Nov 1, 2018 10:39:10 GMT
Well it's been fun today. Charged the battery and it started no problem cold - then it wouldn't start warm. No mystery problem. I flooded it by trying to start a warm/hot engine on choke. Swapped the spitfire lead out - and found an unexpected advantage to that item, minute I put the standard lead in bearings started making a racket - I think the multiple spark period means less of a hit on the bearing at ignition.
As to the tuning. I only started having a problem the second I put that new air filter on. Nothing else was touched and previous to that it'd sit at 70mph all day (and more but I didn't want to push it). It may well be set up odd but that is not the cause of the lean running because that ONLY happened within 2 minutes of changing that filter. Before that it was absolutely fine - if not on the rich side .I will get it professionally timed & tuned in such a way as I can learn how to do it.
LED headlights - I got a pair of them from Ebay. There are two versions Chrome & Dark Chrome, and various connectors, you want the green ones with the three pins that look like a H4 bulb connector, I'd recommend normal chrome, not dark, goes better with the car. These will *not* work with positive earth cars (unless, possibly you make up a switching cable but I wouldn't try it). The ones I bought, the listing isn't available but the nearest I can find are 263603359092 on eBay (you won't need the mounting but it could be useful for spares). The writing on the lens goes to the top with the biggest round lens at the bottom. You will need to buy two. Unless you find a listing for the same headlight for the jeep or landrover, those will come as a pair. This morning I had headlights, wipers, indicators and fan going (for what it's worth) - with the old sealed beams the poor thing would have been suffering - with these nothing was slowing down. They definitely make a difference. I wouldn't worry about durability, the entire rear casing is aluminium - and looking at that listing it includes a LED driver which mine did not - which will probably solve the flicker at low idle mine have but will be fun to try and shoehorn in there. You can also get them with DRL and indicators built in but I'd avoid the indicator ones because they'll be a pest to wire (you'll have to only wire the outboard flasher on each headlight). These are DOT marked like mine. Best not to buy ones that aren't DOT or CE marked. They do take a little getting used to, and they're a little worse to use where it's lit (ie streetlights) but they're sooo much better in full dark its literally like night & day. You *might* need to drop beam aim a little.
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Nov 9, 2018 13:41:36 GMT
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Post by rosieuk on Nov 9, 2018 13:41:36 GMT
Took the car out for a run today - and it's running as smooth as silk (although still running lean). The issue with the 2nd gear is easily solved - let the car run for a bit to warm the oil - frees up the transmission. I swear it has a personality - if it's in a good mood it's nicer to drive & easier than the modern ones. If the cable between the coil & dizzy isn't connected properly you might get a variable misfire - in this case it was on 3 (seems to be a result of the engine movement). Have put the Spitfire cable back on - it's much easier on the engine than the usual one. Will take into garage & have two clicks rich wound in & that'll probably put it back to normal. If you do fit LED headlights - be aware pedestrians might assume that you are driving a modern car (the Wolseley especially, with the multi lens LED looks a lot like the modern MINI, and are a similar size) so just watch out for people assuming you can stop on a dime.
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Post by Penguin45 on Dec 5, 2018 12:16:09 GMT
Looks very good. Mines currently Ivory (roof, rear window surround & boot/strakes) over very tired Green (and for the life of me I don't know what green). I need to repaint the bonnet and am tempted to go black on that (just not wing tops). Have a look HERE, Rosie. All the period colours are listed. Parts listing shows Wild Moss (BLVC24), Racing Green (BLVC29) and Limeflower (BLVC20) as the greens used on the 'Crab. Chris.
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