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Post by 1800heap on Jan 27, 2018 5:26:41 GMT
Hi Paddy
I was thinking about the problem I had with my crab, after reading your hot weather problems. I remember I had a similar problem with my crab after what was really bodging the fitting of twin carbs to the car.
I didn't have any of the linkages or the proper spacers you see. I only had the extractors and the inlet manifold. I ended up cutting and bending a piece of aluminum as a heat shield. I put it in like a gasket sandwiched in between the manifold and carbs.
It worked but I was having trouble summer time in the UK so at relatively cool temperatures compaired to you! It started but ran really poorly for a little while. Anyway the point I am trying to get to is some time later I discovered that one carb had a partial blockage from the float chamber to the jet. You know the little tube that connects.
I think that I had an issue with the heat soak but only because of the partial blockage. No problem when cool but with heat the fuel boiled out of the tube and had a job getting back in.
So you have a number of factors that may be against you and the wet rag idea might be the go to try to see what is happening. It is likely the only safe way to check as well, when the car and day is that hot!
I hope this goes without saying but I will say it anyway. I have to work in the occasional petrol station and because of that I had to do a safety course. During the course they showed us several videos showing petrol fires at servos! VERY VERY nasty and very quick to become an inferno! Having seen this and done some silling things myself I have to say don't touch anything likely to spew fuel while everthing is hot, because large amounts of vapor will be produced from petrol on a hot manifold and if it finds an ignition scource well!!
Nick
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Post by paddymk2 on Jan 27, 2018 13:21:36 GMT
It is possible someone may have wrongly assembled the nylon tube wrongly where it inserts in the float chamber. It can be a little tricky and the rubber grommet can partly occlude the flow. SU carb jetBe careful, the nylon can harden and fracture, but if it is like this probably better to find out sooner. David
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Post by andrewa on Jan 27, 2018 19:52:18 GMT
Might help - I had a heat shield and hot start probs and junked the heat shield and fitted these
sucarb.co.uk/insulating-manifold-air-inlet-gaskets/insulating-gaskets/insulating-gasket.html
No more hot start probs.
Also I was worried about temp probs so had guage checked - all ok and tried three different (all same temp rating) thermostats and last one worked a treat - others must have been duff. Changed sender as well as they're not great - as already noted.
Always one for an easy fix though I'd be inclined to agree with you and try the carb cleaner (for a bit of fun) and then do one thing at a time after PCV arrives.
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Post by Penguin45 on Jan 27, 2018 20:20:54 GMT
Might be worth considering how the petrol feed pipe is routed. The Red Dog has a cunifer pipe coming up the bulkhead under the main brake union. It joins the petrol hose, which is routed across the top and back of the displacer tube before looping back from the right to the carb, thus ensuring that it gets nowhere near the exhasut manifold.
Chris.
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Post by paddymk2 on Jan 28, 2018 0:41:33 GMT
Hi Andrew Does that (ceramic insulator?) replace the Al piece that's there at the moment or adds on? Either way it looks like a neat solution. How straight forward is it to remove the carby? Anything to avoid? - I take Nick's advice, my friend nearly burn his face after spraying the carby cleaner all around the unit... Attachments:
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Post by paddymk2 on Jan 28, 2018 0:53:02 GMT
I forgot to mention the Indian link about the wet rag is a great idea. I've though about sticking a small block of ChillCel pads into the ventilators and squirting with DI for my own neat evaporative cooling I did open up and clean the float valve chamber. It looks clean at the top but had a layer of sludgey stuff at the bottom. Attachments:
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Post by dave1800 on Jan 28, 2018 1:52:00 GMT
It is possible someone may have wrongly assembled the nylon tube wrongly where it inserts in the float chamber. It can be a little tricky and the rubber grommet can partly occlude the flow even if it doesn't leak SU carb jetBe careful, the nylon pipe can harden and fracture, but if it is like this probably better to find out sooner than when you are driving! David
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Post by andrewa on Jan 28, 2018 12:57:50 GMT
They're called pheonolic blocks and come in different depths - I think Mini Sport Oz do them - straightforward to fit. Hot start could also be coil on the way out...
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Post by paddymk2 on Jan 28, 2018 21:30:57 GMT
Thanks guys - looks like an neat solution
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Post by paddymk2 on Jan 29, 2018 7:42:48 GMT
Chatting with the boss this afternoon - "Of course vapour lock was always an issue with my Triumph - I just put a wet rag on the carby..." So there you go.
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Post by dave1800 on Jan 29, 2018 11:08:25 GMT
Remember these Triumphs and MGBs with their inline engines had hot air from the radiator being blown onto the carbs and the MGB (& I believe the Triumphs) used phenolic spacers between the manifold and carbs. This wasn't considered an issue with the crabs, hence the alloy spacer(s). As Andrew A has overcome a vapour lock problem by fitting the phenolic spacers on his high output and therefore hot running engine that looks like a good and cheap fix - it may even cope with 42C I would worry about the wet cloth catching fire! David
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Post by Penguin45 on Jan 29, 2018 13:12:06 GMT
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Post by dave1800 on Jan 30, 2018 2:09:23 GMT
I wonder how long "temporarily" means? David
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Post by Penguin45 on Jan 30, 2018 14:58:54 GMT
Doubt it would be long. Burlen are the sole manufacturers of SU carburettor spares and .100" is a popular size.
Chris.
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Post by paddymk2 on Jan 31, 2018 7:26:56 GMT
Thanks Chris, I've got one of the blocks coming from Perth - and will be careful with the tube. After seeing that trash in the carburettor bowl - should I be opening up the fuel pump and cleaning its little filter? I don't see any other fuel filter on the car. Any risks of spring loaded things pinging out at me?
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