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Post by dave1800 on Nov 1, 2012 8:57:21 GMT
I thought on the Wolseley that there was NO oil pressure warning light as the oil pressure gauge sensor replaces the switch on the Austins and Morrises? regards David My oil pressure light doesn't work (it's the amber one on the right correct? well on a Wolseley) Need to get that fixed! -Andrew
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Post by indianajones on Nov 1, 2012 9:15:36 GMT
You're right David, I just took a look at my car owners manual (i.e. the congratulations on buying this car manual lol) and the amber light is for the oil filter change and not the oil pressure.
-Andrew
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Post by tommydp on Nov 1, 2012 15:08:01 GMT
Well, you learn something new everyday I didn't know the Wolseley had the gauge only and no lamp.
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Post by tommydp on Nov 1, 2012 15:37:14 GMT
Got the Unipart filter today and have compared it to the Fram 966b, which I've now removed.. not sure how the cheap one I tested the other day looks compared to the Unipart though, as it's on the car and I didn't investigate the internals of it.. Well, the internals of the Fram and Unipart are in deed different, and to my eyes and possibly common sense, it sure LOOKS as if the Unipart one will provide far better flow. The most obvious is you can see right on to the paper (or whatever it is) element on the Unipart one, through the six holes. These holes are where oil gets in to the filter I think.. The Fram has kind of a metal ring here, and you can't see the element itself through the six holes. Second, the gauze/ screen(?) holes on the Unipart are larger, as you can see when looking through the large hole.. See photos below. Well, the difference between the two is so evident, I've decided I'll try a flush, drain, filter and oil change first before attempting a blow out of oil lines. Perhaps the Unipart filter will change the odd symptoms. Strangely, the ph966 b filter has always been listed for B series with hanging spin on filters. perhaps the filter design has been changed over the years? Regards, Tommy
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Post by Penguin45 on Nov 1, 2012 19:36:48 GMT
Indy - the orange light will only come on if the by-pass is operated. It's not a pressure switch per se.
Keep plugging away, Tommy - you'll get there.
Chris.
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Post by tommydp on Nov 3, 2012 23:27:52 GMT
Looks like i've solved it, it took more than a filter change though..
I was quite amazed to see the last oil filter I put on looked exactly like the Unipart one inside. So it was back to square one again as I now doubted the filter..
I ran some engine flush into the car while idling, drained the oil. noticed some black sludge around the rockers afterwards. Drained coolant from the block and removed the rocker assembly. Blew compressed air down from the cylinder head, and up from the filter head. I could barely feel any air coming out the other way when blowing. Not sure if one is able to, tried on a spare block to compare.
Put on another rocker shaft which I've cleaned and blown air through numerous times. It will spray the penetrating oil meters in the air from all rocker holes when blowing through the oil feed, so supposed ok.
Put it all back together with fresh oil and Unipart filter. Primed the oilways. Removed and blocked the pcv valve as it has let lots of oil through. Oil fumes now go to carb, as on later cars.
After driving a while the oil pressure now stays at 38-40 psi at idle and rises and falls smoothly. I'm very happy with that. The car also idles more smoothly, and performs better on the road. Another enormous improvement is the total lack of smoke coming from the exhaust when idling and there's no smell from it.
So, what made the difference? No idea:-) I wonder if the PCV valve has played up, giving some sort of an air leak and causing the smoke at idle, but can hardly believe it will affect oil pressure..
Have put the studded tyres on, so will use it on dry days without salted roads.
BTW, anyone know the thread size for the PCV valve to maifold pipe? Now the valve is gone, I'll put a take off for the vacuum gauge there. I thought it was 3/8, but it seems to be slightly less. I'm not at all into inches, well... that is we use cm here:-)Another gauge, another thread:-) Hope not:-)
Regards, Tommy
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Post by Penguin45 on Nov 4, 2012 0:42:02 GMT
Yay! Sounds like you've cleared or at least broken up some sort of blockage. Glad it's worked out for you.
Chris.
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Post by dave1800 on Nov 4, 2012 1:57:30 GMT
Tommy this sounds very strange. How could there be sludge in the rockers after such a short time assuming all was clean when put together? Possibly an oil filter not working and the oil going through the bypass, I don't know - perhaps the oil filter was the primary cause of the odd oil pressure readings. Maybe worth having a look at the oil strainer sometime to see if there is a build up of sludge in the sump that needs to be cleaned out. When you used the PCV were you using a later carb with the inlet for the pipe that feeds direct from the later tappet cover with an internal mesh filter? If so I assume you blocked the inlet. Certainly if the PCV was failing it could account for oil being sucked into the inlet manifold. It would also account for the smoke from the exhaust and your oiled plug(s). Like you I don't see it could affect oil pressure though. It sounds as though another flush would be a good investment fairly soon. Regards David I ran some engine flush into the car while idling, drained the oil. noticed some black sludge around the rockers afterwards. Put it all back together with fresh oil and Unipart filter. Primed the oilways. Removed and blocked the pcv valve as it has let lots of oil through. Oil fumes now go to carb, as on later cars. After driving a while the oil pressure now stays at 38-40 psi at idle and rises and falls smoothly. I'm very happy with that. The car also idles more smoothly, and performs better on the road. Another enormous improvement is the total lack of smoke coming from the exhaust when idling and there's no smell from it. So, what made the difference? No idea:-) I wonder if the PCV valve has played up, giving some sort of an air leak and causing the smoke at idle, but can hardly believe it will affect oil pressure.. Regards, Tommy
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Post by tommydp on Nov 4, 2012 15:45:05 GMT
Hi Dave:-)
I must confess I may not have cleaned the rocker assembly well enough when I put on the last cylinder head. This is a Princess head with offset oil feed and they obviously don't have threaded plugs at the end of the rocker shaft like the earlier ones, so harder to clean successfully unless you're able to remove the plugs and fit new ones. It's amazing how much muck a rocker shaft can hold.
I can't say I see more oil coming to the rockers, but perhaps the flow improved with the other, cleaned up rocker assembly. I guess it's OK, there's no pool of oil on the cylinder head when running, but it drips frequently from the rocker shaft.
I have a NOS AUD 280 carb, original mk 2, but it has the take off for the oil separator hose. I've had it blocked off while using the PCV valve. I believed the PCV worked, but it has let oil through. The engine seems to run far better with the carb ventilation, and the mixture is now spot on all the time, remember it used to change earlier? Not sure how much suction the valve should have at idle, but it appeared to me as full manifold vacuum. Perhaps the diaphragm I have is crap, it's new off ebay for Minis, possibly from the far east. Appears thinner than the original ones, which sadly I don't have any off.
All in all, very pleased with it now! Believe it or not:-)
Regards, Tommy
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Post by dave1800 on Nov 5, 2012 0:45:01 GMT
Tommy This John Twist video explains clearly the oil flow from the pump to the release valve, filter bearings and finally the rocker feed. It demonstrates why you would need to rotate the engine to blast compressed air down from the head successfully. Glad to gear all is well - we 'll wait for the next brain teaser So what did you conclude - a blockage in an oil way or was it the filter? regards David Blew compressed air down from the cylinder head, and up from the filter head. I could barely feel any air coming out the other way when blowing. Not sure if one is able to, tried on a spare block to compare. Regards, Tommy
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chalkywhite
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Thanks for letting me join the group, I had a Morris 1800 on a 'C' or 'D' plate back in
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Post by chalkywhite on Oct 10, 2020 18:16:21 GMT
Thanks again David, I struggle to get 50psi on my 18/85 fitted with an electric pressure gauge, but checked with a known mechanical gauge at the take off point on the block, I have 65psi no problem. Al
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