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Post by ALPINE LANDCRAB on Jun 22, 2021 9:52:23 GMT
I am looking to purchase some new alloy 6 " x 14" wheels
I know the PCD is 5 x 127 what is the off set please
Alpine Landcrab
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Post by Penguin45 on Jun 22, 2021 13:03:20 GMT
 Offset by Penguin 45, on Flickr  Offset by Penguin 45, on Flickr Wheel is 138mm wide, so centre line is 69mm. Depth to fitting face is 117mm. 117-69 = 48mm positive offset. Chris. |
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Post by ALPINE LANDCRAB on Jun 22, 2021 23:48:55 GMT
Thanks Chris for the information about the off set of the wheel
Regards Les
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Post by 1800heap on Jun 24, 2021 22:06:28 GMT
You may want to double check this offset as don't forget Chris is measuring a 5-1/2" rim not a 6" rim so you may want to shift the offset to fit the extra 1/2" of width in the arch, depending on the tyres you use as it is quite tight. I think my 6" rims are 43mm offset but dont quote me on it!
Nick
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Post by 1800heap on Jun 24, 2021 22:23:41 GMT
Just checked my spare it is a 6 x 14 GB alloy and it is 114mm (give or take a 1mm) from the back of the rim to the fitting face. So only a bit different to the inner arch than the wheel Chris measured. On my car this is a good fit. Some cars seem to have a little camber. I would see what clearance you have on your car with standard rims.
Nick
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Post by 1800heap on Jun 24, 2021 22:39:43 GMT
Actually the standard rims are 4-1/2" so that makes it worse I think! My measurement back of rim to mating face would make my offset less than 43mm perhaps my memory is incorrect with that number. Anyway the point is the same, to fit them in I dont think you can use the same offset as a narrower steel wheel! Sorry to cloud this issue guys! Nick
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Post by 1800heap on Jun 25, 2021 10:13:32 GMT
Thought I better check my wheels to give you some more accurate info about what I have on my car. As I said before I have a set of 6" x 14" GB's as I preferred the look. I took the tire mans advice at the time for offset and also tire size. I have 185-65-R14 tires fitted and have not had any problems with them clearance wise in the many years they have been on the car. They are 65 profile so that the circumference better matches the old tires. The Oz crab has a different set of alloys with a different offset and 185-70-R14 and they foul the rear arches, rub the front of the sill on full lock and the rear left jams if the suspension pressure is lost. Not good! Left 65 right 70 profile tire both 185 R14.  
The 6 x 14 GB from the inside measures 114mm from the edge of the rim to flange face and 64mm from the edge to the flange face on the outside. The rim is 178mm wide so 89mm center and that makes a 25+ offset. The other 6 x 14 alloy is 118mm edge to flange face inside and 58mm from edge to the flange face outside. This rim is the same 178mm wide 89mm center as you would expect as the are both 6 x 14 but it has a 31+ offset. Now I actually think it is probably possible to get the bigger wheel to fit with a bit of tinkering as there is not much in it with the fouling. It does show that there is more to getting them to fit than meets the eye as you only have just under 8" width at the top of the rear arch to play with! You also have old cars where the wheel track and camber/caster varies a fair bit and that has a big impact on the clearance you have to play with, so beware what fits my car may not be as good on your car! Hope this helps more than my previous posts. Just as a side note because it has happened to me, the 65 profile tires are quite prone to getting pinched and damaged side walls if you are not careful with hitting kerbs. I have replace two tires one of them almost new because of this! Never happened with the old wheels. Nick |
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Post by Penguin45 on Jun 25, 2021 12:05:03 GMT
And there was me thinking "Nice little five minute measuring job".  A lot of the Rover P5/P6/SD1 wheels will fit, although some are 15". There was a 'Crab some years back on Rover Pepperpots and it did look ridiculous. |
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Post by 1800heap on Jun 25, 2021 21:15:31 GMT
It is a bit of a mine field Chris because of the lack of room in the rear arches. I was lucky at the time to have a good tire man who took the time. I am currently changing the rear carriers to ute type so I hope this does not screw up my clearance ! Nick And there was me thinking "Nice little five minute measuring job". A lot of the Rover P5/P6/SD1 wheels will fit, although some are 15". There was a 'Crab some years back on Rover Pepperpots and it did look ridiculous. |
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Post by dave1800 on Jun 26, 2021 5:54:56 GMT
The camber should be 0.5 degrees. Any more can affect handling. Deterioration of the metalastik bearings on Mk11 /111 cars can cause the camber to increase to the point where the standard profile tyre rubs against the inner wheel arch. A temporary cure can be effected by using shims in the displacer carrier. David ....... Some cars seem to have a little camber. I would see what clearance you have on your car with standard rims. Nick |
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Post by 1800heap on Jun 27, 2021 21:16:36 GMT
Exactly David, so good idea to see what it looks like with the old wheels as I said. My car has a bit of neg camber on the rear. This may be why my wheels are 25 offset. I hope the ute carriers do not have any odd setting built in. As far as I am aware not. Will see how I go. My slipflexes are siezed. Dad said the ride was a bit rough! Nick The camber should be 0.5 degrees. Any more can affect handling. Deterioration of the metalastik bearings on Mk11 /111 cars can cause the camber to increase to the point where the standard profile tyre rubs against the inner wheel arch. A temporary cure can be effected by using shims in the displacer carrier. David |
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Post by dave1800 on Jun 28, 2021 4:09:08 GMT
It would probably be kinder on these old slipflex bearings to run standard size wheel and tyres - but perhaps not so much fun!
David
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Post by 1800heap on Jun 28, 2021 5:40:22 GMT
Yes indeed.
I am about to find out how hard it is to replace them. I have a couple of NOS ones to go on. I recall from years ago doing one that they are a pig to get out of the arm. I could use the whole ute arms but the hand brake set up and slave cylinders are different and as I have the parts might as well try. Nick It would probably be kinder on these old slipflex bearings to run standard size wheel and tyres - but perhaps not so much fun! David |
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Post by nvw1957 on May 27, 2024 12:05:56 GMT
Just checked my spare it is a 6 x 14 GB alloy and it is 114mm (give or take a 1mm) from the back of the rim to the fitting face. So only a bit different to the inner arch than the wheel Chris measured. On my car this is a good fit. Some cars seem to have a little camber. I would see what clearance you have on your car with standard rims. Nick |
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Post by nvw1957 on May 27, 2024 12:06:27 GMT
Where did you get your rims
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