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Post by alanh on Feb 9, 2018 8:39:56 GMT
Hello
A friend and I have just purchased a1972 Morris 1800cc, car is going to be prepared to run in the 2019 Monte Carlo Historique Rally. I have never owned a Landcrab before, was quite surprised by how well they drove. Past expierience of cars has been racing Triumphs, Opel, MG and Jaguars. Any advice on Rally prep on a Landcrab would be appreciated.
Car is a 1972 bright red Morris 1800cc it's on the road and has been a daily driver.
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Post by paddymk2 on Feb 9, 2018 12:33:53 GMT
Hi Alan, Be nice to see some pix. I think red suits the car, kind of modern, like a 1972 episode of TOTP. Rather than the old man greys or beige (oops did I say that outloud.) I do think the my grey-green with slightly darker grey-green sides car has got that classic look of Mr Granger from Are You Being Served. Paddy  |
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Post by dave1800 on Feb 9, 2018 13:52:49 GMT
Welcome to the forum. Do you perhaps mean 2019 as this year's rally appears to have ended a couple of days ago. We have a member here, Andrew A, who has prepared and rallied a crab recently so he should be able to point you in the right direction. There are also some archived details of the works rally cars that we can dig out that detail the engine,suspension and other modifications. I guess you have already checked out the structure of your car but it may be worth looking at some of the restoration threads to see where there can be hidden problems. Chris (Penguin45) is our bodywork specialist. Also I would advise looking at the thread on the tie-rods as there have been some near disasters with failures in this area. It would be helpful if you could give us some idea of how far you wish to modify the car, if you know at this stage, so we can try and focus on the various components. Regards David Hello A friend and I have just purchased a1972 Morris 1800cc, car is going to be prepared to run in the 2018 Monte Carlo Historique Rally. I have never owned a Landcrab before, was quite surprised by how well they drove. Past expierience of cars has been racing Triumphs, Opel, MG and Jaguars. Any advice on Rally prep on a Landcrab would be appreciated. Car is a 1972 bright red Morris 1800cc it's on the road and has been a daily driver. |
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Post by snoopy11 on Feb 9, 2018 16:11:42 GMT
Hi
Welcome to the forum.
As already said there are several members with modified cars here.
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Post by alanh on Feb 9, 2018 17:03:46 GMT
 Indeed I did mean 2019, saw the cars off in Paisley a week back. |
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Post by andrewa on Feb 9, 2018 17:16:39 GMT
Welcome - and good for you!
I've got all the scanned "works" drawings/instructions of what they did to the cars back in the '60's which I can send you if you want.
I did most of the mods on my car - including rear anti roll bar (makes big difference esp on loose surfaces) and mini shocks at front and bigger bump stops at back.
Might be handy depending on how tight the regs are for this event.
It tells you where they strengthened bits and pieces as well.
Sounds like you know what you're doing so won't teach you to suck eggs but one of the best things I did was remove and completely go through the front suspension - it can go on forever, but putting it back to "as new" transformed the car.
Engine generally does go on forever unless you're unlucky and gearbox might need baulk rings but otherwise over engineered.
The owners club is great Tony Wood - the parts gent - is a mine of info.
The only weak point really on these cars is are the displacers. The works guys used to fit the front (bigger ones) at the back as well so they didn't have to carry different sizes.
It's a lot of work - you have to modify the metal under the back seat so they fit and make the arms wider so the bigger displacers fit.
After all that it's like running on coil-overs - you feel everything!!
I stuck with "normal" displacers at the rear and haven't had a problem in three of four years of using the car enthusiastically.
I suppose the choice you face it whether to take it all apart and go through it front to back or just fettle it a bit, do a few events to show up any issues and leave it at that.
If you want the rally stuff - send me a message with your email address and I'll send it on to you.
Cheers
Andrew
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Post by alanh on Feb 9, 2018 17:36:32 GMT
I will be using a mild state of tune I have a couple of MG Engines few blocks several big valve heads, carbs etc. I would expect to run with around 105 to 108bhp with a good flat torque curve based on MG Engines I have built. Finishing and reliability is going to be number 1. As will be losing some weight. Once it's reliable then I will look for some more performance.
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Post by andrewa on Feb 12, 2018 7:39:09 GMT
Ref the works drawings etc - have lost the stuff on the computer but have hard copies of it all.
Scanner at home is a one at a time thing which will take forever.
Am in office on Thursday so will scan it all in then and forward on as requested!
Cheers
A
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Post by alanh on Feb 12, 2018 13:43:37 GMT
Many thanks.
Be good to have a chat sometime and pick your brains about, what you have done to your car, long time since I have played with the B series or non coil spring suspension.
Read through your threads with interest, looking to source some light weight bodywork, any ideas.
Thanks
Alan
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Post by Penguin45 on Feb 12, 2018 15:29:04 GMT
There were certainly some aluminium doors about. Last ones I saw for sale (some years ago now) went for an eye-watering sum.
Chris.
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Post by snoopy11 on Feb 12, 2018 17:25:52 GMT
looking to source some light weight bodywork, any ideas. Thanks Alan I would be cautious about taking weight out of the body. Care would be needed to so you don’t compromise the monocoque shell. A lot of the handling qualities will come from its strength and rigidly. |
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Post by alanh on Feb 12, 2018 18:17:23 GMT
Thinking about lightweight bonnet, boot and doors and polycarb windows. I have seen rally cars with GRP panels. Car will have a multi point roll cage installed to help with rigidity
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