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Post by Penguin45 on Oct 2, 2013 18:50:12 GMT
 On eBay - HERE. I'm rather surprised that he's spent £14k taking the engine out to 1950cc and left it on a slushbox; and also spent nothing at all on the interior. £5k has to be optimistic, surely? Chris. |
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Post by indianajones on Oct 2, 2013 19:18:59 GMT
A solid looking car, but not worth $10,000
-Andrew
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Post by snoopy11 on Oct 2, 2013 20:34:59 GMT
Without wanting to put down the seller etc but if I had spent that sort of money on the engine I would have expected to see the engine bay a lot tidier than that.
£4,000 buys a lot of engine bits and to be honest I can't see where you could spend £14,000 without completely restoring the car.
It' looks like a good project but with the state of the interior I would not pay that much.
Just my opinion so please don't shoot me.
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Post by Nick RS on Oct 2, 2013 20:35:29 GMT
Been a while since a decent 18/85 turned up, so you never know, though I agree that with an interior like that £5K would be a lot. I'd sooner spend that amount on this. Nick www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C423305 |
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 3, 2013 3:04:46 GMT
I agree, shame it's an automatic, but I guess that the chance of a manual in such condition is rare David Been a while since a decent 18/85 turned up, so you never know, though I agree that with an interior like that £5K would be a lot. I'd sooner spend that amount on this. Nick www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C423305 |
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Post by indianajones on Oct 3, 2013 5:09:09 GMT
Just my opinion so please don't shoot me. Speak your mind mate _b I've seen some people get a bit touchy when people comment on the price of their cars etc, if they don't want comments about it, then they shouldn't slap it up on the net for the world to see lol -Andrew |
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 3, 2013 10:10:51 GMT
Andrew Did you look at the servo, header tank and washer bottle arrangement in the photos. Maybe a possibility for you? Wolseley 18/85 servo layoutRegards David |
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Post by Nick RS on Oct 3, 2013 20:57:36 GMT
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Post by Penguin45 on Oct 3, 2013 23:30:31 GMT
Ben Tate, that is. Bought it cheap, passed it on cheap, went to the Isle of Wight where it was intermittently and partially restored by Cooperman (Ace BL restorer on the island), before the engine mods. Ben said the seats were fair to poor in his ownership, so heaven only knows what happened next.
Chris.
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Post by indianajones on Oct 5, 2013 8:33:05 GMT
Andrew Did you look at the servo, header tank and washer bottle arrangement in the photos. Maybe a possibility for you? Wolseley 18/85 servo layoutRegards David Yea I did notice that, they must have some sort of bracket to mount it on, as I can't see how they'd be able to screw it onto the bulkhead at that angle. I've taken some measurements and will doodle up a bracket to be made up. -Andrew |
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Post by Penguin45 on Oct 5, 2013 14:13:22 GMT
Re-listed HERE. Engine bay pic preserved for posterity:  The servo is incorrectly mounted, BTW - the air valve should be pointing downwards at at least a 30 o angle, according to the installation instructions. Chris. |
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Post by tommydp on Oct 5, 2013 18:38:29 GMT
Prices are really getting crazy when it comes to these cars.. I wouldn't have paid that kind of money for this, if it was the last crab on earth.
I understand steep prices when it comes to excellent original, low mileage ones, but 5K for this is ridiculous.
T
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Post by indianajones on Oct 5, 2013 23:11:04 GMT
The servo is incorrectly mounted, BTW - the air valve should be pointing downwards at at least a 30 o angle, according to the installation instructions. Chris. I also noticed this too, my bracket will have the air valve pointing downwards. And agreed Tommy, they're asking Concours prices for what seems to be an average car. Andrew. |
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Post by Penguin45 on Oct 6, 2013 0:00:27 GMT
It's a hard call. The selling point of this particular car is an extremely expensive modified engine. The car does not match the engine......
What are you supposed to make of it? Bodywork is OK, not great; the (leather) interior is wrecked, the dash has a few problems.
Taken in the round, it doesn't work, unless you really want a 2L 'Crab. If I did, I'd be looking for a manual with a sensible diff ratio. I'm not overly bothered if the car now gets to 60mph a few seconds faster than the 1800 version - I'm still going to be handicapped by a manically racing engine at motorway speeds, poor fuel economy due to the very basic auto box and a car which cannot be returned to "standard" even if you want to.
Prices should rise. Heresy, I hear you all cry! Consider......
1/ There are not all that many cars left.
2/ It's not a popular classic. A Minor or an MGB is a "popular" classic - hordes of the blighters left, with a range of values reflecting this.
3/ If we do not have a selection of excellent cars being valued at £4-5K plus, the lesser survivors become increasingly worthless - look at the Princess, the Allegro, Marina and Maxi to see how worthless cars just disappear.
4/ The "BUT" is that the survivors should recognisably represent the original car... The hotrods and specials tend to be interesting, briefly. The exception appears to be the Ford Escort, where the rally and 'rodded versions outnumber the "standard" survivors!
I don't think I'll try and buy this particular car. It really is a bit of a pig in a poke.
Chris.
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 6, 2013 2:30:56 GMT
I agree. It all depends what you want. If you want better performance then a 1800S or preferably a Downton Stage 1 conversion still gives you sufficient low down torque to avoid constant gear changing (not a particularly pleasant experience unless you convert to the Mk111 road change). In my experience the MK1 cars handled better but need the higher ratio rack as fitted to Mk11/111 (and late Mk1 cars). I also dislike the power steering as for me it takes away a lot of the involvement. The extra power from the Oselli conversion is likely to come in higher up the range which means that in many of the conditions encountered on UK roads nowadays the standard car will be quicker unless you want to go in for high rpm and burn lots of fuel. I guess they opted for the auto box as the engine would have shown up the deficiencies in the speed of gear change of the manual car. However, although that box would handle more power it wasn't noted for reliability in this installation. Auto boxes are better suited to higher RPM and not the low down torque of the standard car. Not my choice though. As far as prices are concerned, the 1800 has moved away from the cheap £200 banger with 12 months MOT to becoming quite rare and may now be being viewed by some as a financial investment instead of or as well as something to give pleasure to the owners and drivers. It will be interesting to follow the trend David It's a hard call. The selling point of this particular car is an extremely expensive modified engine. The car does not match the engine...... What are you supposed to make of it? Bodywork is OK, not great; the (leather) interior is wrecked, the dash has a few problems. Taken in the round, it doesn't work, unless you really want a 2L 'Crab. If I did, I'd be looking for a manual with a sensible diff ratio. I'm not overly bothered if the car now gets to 60mph a few seconds faster than the 1800 version - I'm still going to be handicapped by a manically racing engine at motorway speeds, poor fuel economy due to the very basic auto box and a car which cannot be returned to "standard" even if you want to. Prices should rise. Heresy, I hear you all cry! Consider...... 1/ There are not all that many cars left. 2/ It's not a popular classic. A Minor or an MGB is a "popular" classic - hordes of the blighters left, with a range of values reflecting this. 3/ If we do not have a selection of excellent cars being valued at £4-5K plus, the lesser survivors become increasingly worthless - look at the Princess, the Allegro, Marina and Maxi to see how worthless cars just disappear. 4/ The "BUT" is that the survivors should recognisably represent the original car... The hotrods and specials tend to be interesting, briefly. The exception appears to be the Ford Escort, where the rally and 'rodded versions outnumber the "standard" survivors! I don't think I'll try and buy this particular car. It really is a bit of a pig in a poke. Chris. |
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