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Dipstick
Oct 24, 2022 6:31:20 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Oct 24, 2022 6:31:20 GMT
Could I please get a couple of you to give me a measurement from your MK2 cars. I think I have an oil level issue, as I just put in nearly 9lt of oil in to get to the high level on the dip stick. This was dry and included the transfer case but still seems too much. I have a 457mm dip stick blade. Could you please give me a length of your dipstick tube. Thats assuming you have a 457mm dipsick blade. Probably easiest to get a piece of wire or non stretchy string and offer it up to the tube. Hold the end of the measure on top of the nut next to the tube. This is the nut that holds the tube into the block. Then measure to level with the opening for the dip stick. My one is 300mm. Thanks in advance guys. It is a little awkward sorry! Nick
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Post by Penguin45 on Oct 24, 2022 10:21:04 GMT
Hi Nick.
1970 MkII.
Tube - 270mm nut to flare at the top Stick - 482mm tip to plug. 470mm to lower mark, 459mm to upper mark.
WM says dry fill will total 8.5 litres, so you're not too far off.
HTH,
C.
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 24, 2022 12:57:21 GMT
My w/s manual AKD 4138 9th edition General Data page8 (issue10)-says dry fill 7.1 litres with a 457mm dipstick and 8.5 litres with a dipstick of unspecified length. My Mk111 manual does not add to this. My understanding was that the 8.5 litres related to (early) Mk1 engines before they changed the dipstick. This appears to be supported by the somewhat confusing (to me) engine designations in the BL parts manual. I seem to recall mention of this in the LOCA magazine, if not clarified here I will try and wade through them. Chris, which version of the w/s manual did you use, this has been area of confusion and folklore for decades. David Now found the LOCA article which provides the following information (imperial converted to metric) Austin 1800 Mk1 411 mm Austin 1800 Mk2 478 mm Austin 1800 Oz (Mk2) 454 mm Measurements taken from the minimum mark to the shoulder of the handle. This doesn't answer the question about the oil capacity but it does probably give weight to the Mk11 (and Mk111) cars having the lower capacity. There were articles in the 60s about too much oil causing Crab engines to blow up on the motorway. Nick, it looks as though your dipstick may be an Oz spec, or maybe that was quietly adopted in the UK too? You shouldn't ask these simple questions they are too difficult for us to answer! Hi Nick. 1970 MkII. Tube - 270mm nut to flare at the top Stick - 482mm tip to plug. 470mm to lower mark, 459mm to upper mark. WM says dry fill will total 8.5 litres, so you're not too far off. HTH, C.
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Post by Penguin45 on Oct 24, 2022 17:23:35 GMT
Chris, which version of the w/s manual did you use, this has been area of confusion and folklore for decades. WM is AKD4138 11th edition.
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Dipstick
Oct 24, 2022 22:12:21 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Oct 24, 2022 22:12:21 GMT
Thanks Chris and David.
Chris from how I understand you are measuring, and the way I read my WM you have a 457mm dipstick. The WM says dipstick blade measurement 457mm. If I measure just the metal blade mine is 457mm. I can't see this is a coincidence. If I measure it your way, I get 483mm so basically same as you. That means as I get 300mm on the tube that could be my issue.
It would be good for a couple of other readers to confirm what they have. Please!
I will measure the Oz dip and see what that is.
No wonder they had issues. The other problem is the tube has an olive to secure it, but if you move the olive the tube sits at a different dip length!
Nick
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Oct 25, 2022 5:57:14 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Oct 25, 2022 5:57:14 GMT
Oh dear oh dear!
So I think OKR (Mk3)is almost identical to Chris on the dipstick side.
Metal blade only = 457mm Neck to low mark = 473mm Neck to High mark = 461mm Neck to tip = 482mm But the tube is wrong on OKR at 300mm rather than 270mm.
The tube height is what I need clarification on.
Oz engine 18YA/RC/H (Mk1)
Metal blade only = 447mm Neck to low mark = 464mm Neck to high mark = 445mm Neck to tip = 474mm Tube height = 260mm
Oz engine 18YF/Ta/H (ute)
Metal blade only = 425mm Neck to low mark = 445mm Neck to high mark = 425mm Neck to tip = 454mm Tube height = 260mm
Notice the Oz tube is consistent at 260mm. This is an important measurement as it can be altered because of the olive arrangement.
I have an Oz Mk2 18YD/Ta/H but can't locate the dip stick at present unfortunately.
More numbers required for clarification and hopefully we can get it into the tech section.
Nick
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 25, 2022 9:00:01 GMT
So far you don't have have any measurements from another Mk111 car for comparison. It would be helpful if someone with a MK111 Austin or Morris 1800 could take them for you. I've never seen any mention before of the tube height differences, the plot thickens.
David
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Post by Penguin45 on Oct 26, 2022 17:13:15 GMT
Just to thicken the plot to the consistency of porridge, Eugenie has an 1800 Princess engine, so MkIII and a bit?
Tube - 270mm nut to flare.
Blade - lower mark to plug 450mm - lower mark to shoulder 475mm - upper mark to plug 435mm - upper mark to shoulder 460mm
HTH,
C.
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Post by 1800heap on Oct 28, 2022 21:43:33 GMT
Thanks for the HELP heading, and the info Chris. Hopefully I can get some MK3 info form other readers. In an effort to not confuse things myself more, I may need to re-post so that I am using the same naming as you. Just to confirm this is what you mean a picture. I have also found the OZ dipstick for the MK2 YD engine, and it is identical to the MK1 in all respects. There is a slight complication with that, according to the Oz Gregory's WM, YA is an auto engine and this one is sitting on a manual box. It therefore does not confirm 100% the manual OZ Mk2 if you believe the WM! With OKR, I loosened the tube nut and lowered the tube about a centimeter in a effort to get the oil quantity to about 8 litres. I consider this a safer starting point. The measurement was somewhat upset because some idiot forgot to tighten the sump plug, resulting in a big slick of oil on the floor overnight! I will have to drain the oil now if I want to check the quantity exactly. Oh well! What is your feeling on this subject? Does it really matter that much up to a point? Is it just because they are useless? Is there legitimate reasons for the number of different lengths? I am leaning towards this. There is quite a wide range where it makes little difference. Other than there being a larger or smaller quantity of oil in the gearbox. The ute engine, which would likely work harder due to greater weight, has more oil it. This makes sense to me. Oz conditions ie hotter and worse roads, more oil is beneficial I would think. Obviously up to a point! This helps to explain the wide variety. Incidentally the Oz Gregory's manual quotes a with filter oil change at 7.38lt. From the numbers so far I am going to make a conversion that should compare apples with apples! OKR Shoulder to MAX mark 461mm Current Tube height now 290mm 461-290 = 171mm So 171 mm is the section that drops from the top of the tube nut into the sump. Because I have taken off the tube height this is now constant figure which will allow a direct comparison. If I do the same sum with all the different engines as below you can see what I mean hopefully! OKR (300mm Tube height) = 161mm to Max OKR (290mm Tube height) = 171mm to Max Red Dog = 189mm to Max Eugenie = 190mm to Max Oz Mk1 = 185mm to Max Oz MK2 (Auto ?) = 185mm to Max Oz Ute = 165mm to Max The lower the number the more oil in the engine, so the Ute wins at 165mm. I would not venture below this number as it is the most oil in any of the factory setting so far. Unless another MK3 owner gives me some numbers. I suspect my tube height was not correct to start with. The tube was bent up, so I straightened it and this may be the source of the bad adjustment! Nick
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Post by Penguin45 on Jan 15, 2023 18:11:32 GMT
Snoopy has measured his dip stick: Dip Stick by Penguin 45, on Flickr 1970 18/85 MkII. Hope it helps. Chris.
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Feb 21, 2023 21:34:58 GMT
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Post by 1800heap on Feb 21, 2023 21:34:58 GMT
Thanks for the info Chris and Snoopy. I think I should be in the ball park now.
Nick
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