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Post by mike on Feb 25, 2014 18:19:50 GMT
Hi all I have a 1967 Morris 1800 owned from new, have spent years [far too long] restoring! At the point where I need to bleed brakes, being clever have bought a 1 man pressure bleeding system from Sealey. Now reading manual it says 'this system must not be pressure bled' drat! I think I understand why perhaps the G valve? Has anyone tried bleeding using a pressure system? Thanks in advance Mike
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Post by indianajones on Feb 25, 2014 19:43:31 GMT
When you say a one man pressure bleeding system, is that just a normal one man bleeding kit with a non-return valve?
Because that's all I use and it works nicely.
-Andrew
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Post by snoopy11 on Feb 25, 2014 20:58:50 GMT
I have always going the best way is to use an unwilling helper to spend half an hour pushing the brake whilst the bleed nipple is opened and closed. In other words the old fashioned way. I have never had much luck using easy bleed systems.
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Post by Penguin45 on Feb 25, 2014 22:44:56 GMT
Hi Mike, welcome aboard.
I've never had much luck with pressure bleeding on any car!
Just to add the other quirk of the brakes on these cars - bleed from the shortest run to the longest; i.e. start at the front.
When you're ready, it'd be good to see some pictures of the car.
Regards,
Chris.
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Post by dave1800 on Feb 26, 2014 1:57:36 GMT
Welcome. I'm not sure but you may be the only member here having owned the car from new? I used an automatic brake bleeder that connected to the tyre. As mentioned you need to bleed the brakes in the order of closest to the master cylinder first - the reverse of the usual procedure. It is possible for the pressure to make the ball in the G valve block / reduce (Mk1/11) the pressure to the rear brakes and make it impossible to bleed them but this can be avoided by raising the rear of the car and the manual describes a way of releasing the ball if it gets stuck in the closed position. In the end I opted for an unpressurised system with a non return valve as being easier (but note the ball in the G valve can still get stuck). regards David Hi all I have a 1967 Morris 1800 owned from new, have spent years [far too long] restoring! At the point where I need to bleed brakes, being clever have bought a 1 man pressure bleeding system from Sealey. Now reading manual it says 'this system must not be pressure bled' drat! I think I understand why perhaps the G valve? Has anyone tried bleeding using a pressure system? Thanks in advance Mike
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Post by mike on Feb 26, 2014 9:01:46 GMT
Thanks guys, the system I bought has a hand pump so can keep the pressure down to 9psi. Now I have to think- keep it new and resell on E bay or take a chance and try!!!!! Never a dull moment with old cars. Will update Mike
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Post by mike on Feb 27, 2014 8:59:19 GMT
Just a thought does anyone know how many pints of brake fluid it needs to fill the brake system from empty? Ta Mike
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Post by dave1800 on Feb 27, 2014 10:10:43 GMT
Absolutely no idea sorry! It will depend on how much you flush through when bleeding the brakes. If there is any discolouration from old fluid, corrosion, rubbers etc it means you should continue until it's clear, so you could use much more than just the volume of the system. Remember that it's not a good idea to keep brake fluid even for a short time once opened as recent tests using an electronic meter at a classic car rally showed a very high proportion of cars had poor fluid. You should actually close the cap immediately after each time you pour fluid into the master cylinder if the latest information is to be believed. It absorbs water vapour at an amazing rate from the surroundings. I do think it is a good idea to keep to one brand and buy it from a reliable source (maybe not Ebay for something so critical). You may find that 2 x 500ml bottles is more than sufficient but could cost as much as a 5L container so a difficult call given that you should really discard what's left over. I'm sure I'm guilty of using half empty containers in the past without attributing any braking problems, but on reflection maybe that's why the servo failed Regards David Just a thought does anyone know how many pints of brake fluid it needs to fill the brake system from empty? Ta Mike
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Post by crabmaster on Feb 27, 2014 12:39:54 GMT
For many years, I have persuaded my wife to be the unwilling helper referred to above: with the first question of proceedings being which pedal is the brakes. Then I tried the tube with a spring loaded ball valve at the end, which worked fine the first time, but then the valve deteriorated because I didn't clean it thoroughly after use and it leaked. Then I purchased one of those pressure units that fit to the tyre, and found that none of the supplied caps fitted my (Australian) PBR master cylinder and so had to sacrifice a spare cap by drilling a hole in it for the pressure tube - but unfortunately the slightest leak in all this meant that the cap filled up with fluid, the top of which is well above the rim of the reservoir for an air space and rubber diaphragm, and so upon removal brake fluid poured out everywhere. I've now just purchased a suck-through unit which promises a quick and easy fuss-free experience. But, it relies on one loosening the bleeder nipple, and then attaching the hose - but I wonder what stops air leaking in around the loosened nipple and causing bubbles to appear in the hose. Will attempt to report back once I've tried it. Tony
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Post by indianajones on Feb 27, 2014 21:22:13 GMT
Good luck Tony.
I use what you have just bought, you just slacken the nipple off a little bit and then give the brakes nice long pumps. You should see the bottle fill up and fluid in the clear line with no bubbles. If you get bubbles in the line, pump some more.
If the bottle fills up, tighten the nipple up, remove the bleeder, drain it and repeat until you have no air in the system.
Hope that helps a little bit.
-Andrew
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Post by Penguin45 on Feb 28, 2014 0:42:40 GMT
Mmmm - I'll bite. Last time I did the whole system, Ady and I did it by the "pump, hold, shut bleeder, release pedal, repeat" method. Teri (Mrs Ady) got rather bored with this process quite quickly and documented it on my white board: Patience, lots of fluid and two of you is far and away the easiest method. In my opinion, of course! Chris.
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Post by crabmaster on May 25, 2014 11:17:14 GMT
I can now report back on my newly acquired brake bleeding suction device - purchased at great cost (about $100), but "guaranteed" to work according to the box. Well, I am impressed. What happens is that one attaches a rubber fitting to the bleeder nipple, which is unscrewed about 1/4 turn. A plastic pipe goes into the rubber fitting, and the other end into a pot, at the top of which is a nozzle a bit like a spray gun. Compressed air (from your air compressor) goes through the nozzle, creating a vacuum in the pot underneath, and brake fluid is drawn via a venturi effect through the tube and into the pot. As expected, considerable air comes along for the ride through the threads of the nipple, but the great advantage is that the process is quite slow. The handle that controls the air flow can be clicked into the open position, and so one just sets it going, and then somewhat leisurely checks the master cylinder level - topping up as desired, while the fluid is drawn through. If different coloured fluid is used, then it is possible to determine when the new fluid gets through the system. The whole thing took about 20 minutes and I didn't spill a drop, nor did the managing director of this establishment have to be diverted from other important duties. No doubt this will pay for itself in about 20 years.
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Post by Penguin45 on May 25, 2014 11:39:55 GMT
Sounds good. Any brand name or pic? New tools are always good. Chris.
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Post by crabmaster on May 25, 2014 12:23:24 GMT
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