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Post by threelitre on Jul 15, 2013 8:07:27 GMT
Dave,
unless you want a really harsh ride, the shock absorbers will only take a little load from the Hydrolastic units, as you'd want to specify rather weak ones, so that the overall damping is within reasonable bounds.
On the 3 Litre as well as every Hydragas car the damping of pitch and bounce is separated: The interconnection pipe is taken off from the actual displacer, the lower chamber of the unit, where the piston goes in. The damping of pitch should be relative low and is determined by diameter of interconnection pipe or possible orifices therein. The damping of bounce is done as in every other Hydrolastic car using internal damper valves between displacer chamber and spring chamber. Hydragas just replaces the rubber with gas as a spring. The problem on the earlier cars was, that damping for both modes of movement was not independent. Leading to a slightly weak setting for bounce to make the interconnection more effective. External dampers are curing this fault directly, yet (IMO) destroying the beautiful purity of the system.
In a way the 3litre looks like the pinnacle: No external dampers, anti-roll bars or helper springs in sight. But - due to RWD - a much more complex rear arrangement than the neat set-up of the 1800.
Regards,
Alexander
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Post by dave1800 on Jul 15, 2013 9:58:48 GMT
Hi Alexander Many thanks for your detailed analysis, that is very helpful. I have seen claims that the addition of front shock absorbers does improve the ride, but that is of course subjective. Like you I would not wish to destroy the purity of the system unless it offered substantial benefits to the longevity of the displacers given the less than perfect road surface conditions here. I learned to live with the "bounce" over many years and never found it an issue. I will have to look at the 3 Litre displacer construction, I had not appreciated the difference until you pointed it out. Regards David Dave, unless you want a really harsh ride, the shock absorbers will only take a little load from the Hydrolastic units, as you'd want to specify rather weak ones, so that the overall damping is within reasonable bounds. On the 3 Litre as well as every Hydragas car the damping of pitch and bounce is separated: The interconnection pipe is taken off from the actual displacer, the lower chamber of the unit, where the piston goes in. The damping of pitch should be relative low and is determined by diameter of interconnection pipe or possible orifices therein. The damping of bounce is done as in every other Hydrolastic car using internal damper valves between displacer chamber and spring chamber. Hydragas just replaces the rubber with gas as a spring. The problem on the earlier cars was, that damping for both modes of movement was not independent. Leading to a slightly weak setting for bounce to make the interconnection more effective. External dampers are curing this fault directly, yet (IMO) destroying the beautiful purity of the system. In a way the 3litre looks like the pinnacle: No external dampers, anti-roll bars or helper springs in sight. But - due to RWD - a much more complex rear arrangement than the neat set-up of the 1800. Regards, Alexander
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Post by indianajones on Jun 22, 2015 11:25:15 GMT
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Post by Penguin45 on Jun 24, 2015 22:59:57 GMT
I hadn't realised that they'd given up as far back as that. I had imagined that it would be the smaller suppliers who would keep on supplying the stuff as the mass market demand fell away. Odd really, because as Dad explained (he was an industrial chemist), it's very basic "bucket chemistry". My local factors no longer stock it, but get it in a "Carlube" container within 24 hours. Halfords, of course, have no idea what you're talking about.
Chris.
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