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Post by dave1800 on Oct 8, 2015 2:23:53 GMT
We will be sending members an email during the week commencing 13th October to survey action you have taken or have planned to inspect the potentially dangerous failures in the tie bars and their mounting brackets as detailed in the suspension 101 thread and Chris' (Penguin's)recent lucky escape. (You will need to log on to view the suspension 101 thread) If you have changed your email from the one you used to register here it would be helpful if you could update it in the next few days. If you do not receive the email by Friday 16th October please PM me. thanks David Read more: landcrabforum.co.uk/thread/875/suspension-failure |
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Post by Penguin45 on Oct 12, 2015 23:20:41 GMT
Just a little reminder, folks.
As I have the front end of Eugenie up in the air at the moment, I have dropped both tie-bar housings and am pleased to report that the rubbers appear virtually unworn and the housings are mechanically sound. The Red Dog has covered another 300 odd miles since the "troubles" and everything is still in the correct place.
Chris.
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Post by dave1800 on Oct 20, 2015 1:53:09 GMT
Many thanks to those of you have already provided details; just a quick reminder that the deadline is this Friday, 23rd October
We wish to try and determine how widespread the issue is across the cars and publish the information here and also meet the LOCI article submission deadline.
I have sent an email reminder. If you do not receive it please let me know. If you have changed your email since registering you will need to amend it yourself - we cannot amend these details.
Go to your account and then:
Profile -> Edit Profile -> Personal and change email details
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Please avoid re-registering with a new user name if you want to change personal details as we are unable to link the new name to your previous posts.
regards
David
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Post by indianajones on Oct 20, 2015 7:43:12 GMT
Hi David,
I've received the email regarding this, and I apologise for not getting back to you. I would like to contribute, but doubt I'll be able to do so before Friday. Assuming I can escape the family during the long weekend, I might be able to get something to you then (granted, it'll be too late for the LOCI).
Cheers,
Andrew
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Post by dave1800 on Nov 4, 2015 5:52:26 GMT
RESULTS OF TIE BAR SURVEY
I would like to thank all of you who took the time to send details of your experiences with Landcrab tie bars and mountings. It was nice reading reports from around the world as far afield as Peru.
Your comments certainly reinforce the earlier advice to carry out regular checks to identify any hidden dangers that may be lurking inside the torpedoes. Anyone rallying their vehicles, taking them off road or subjecting them to heavy braking should be particularly vigilant and pay heed to the advice from Patrick in Australia not to use non standard components. Should you be unfortunate enough to suffer a tie bar / mounting failure check the aluminium casting around the suspension lower arm mounting for fractures.
In particular the things to watch out for are:
* Perished / damaged rubber bushes, with or without evidence of any play in the tie bar
* Loose nyloc nuts (UK spec) or castellated nuts and corroded split pins (Australian spec vehicles)
* Wear in the tie rod and mounting where it passes through the bridge
* Weakening or fracture of the bridge weld through which the tie bar passes
* General corrosion in the tie bar, mounting bracket and bodywork
* Corrosion or damage of the tie bar where it attaches to the lower suspension arm (this was modified after early Mk1 cars suffered fractures at this point)
Forum members reported:
* Breakage of a non-standard tie bar on a rally car resulting in the car overturning!
* Nut fell off the tie bar after the split pin failed – rally car going slowly no damage
* Tie bar broken at the threads at low speed – rally car fortunately going slowly no damage
* Examples of wear in the mounting and the tie bar where it passes through the bridge
* Examples of rubber bushes deteriorated with /without play
* Fractured bracket found at MOT; tester noted he had seen this before when cars were in production and they
welded in washers to reinforce. (Maybe he was looking more closely as he was knowledge of this weakness)
An example of a non-torpedo bracket was identified with the tie bar and mounting in good condition.
Thanks once again for helping to make the Landcrabs not just more enjoyable to drive, but safer.
David
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Post by Penguin45 on Mar 16, 2017 18:49:57 GMT
I have no wish to be dictatorial, but the importance of the above information cannot be overstated.  The left hand housing was removed from my Wolseley this afternoon. The only thing holding the tie bar in place was the large cup washer on the front rubber, which was just big enough not to pull through the hole. This could be your car as well - check. Chris. |
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Post by dave1800 on Mar 17, 2017 5:25:32 GMT
I would recommend lowering and checking these mountings every year. The consequences of failure are all too plain. You cannot rely on the MOT to detect an impending failure.
David
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Post by james on Jun 18, 2018 5:54:32 GMT
Wow.... that sounds scary..... I changed my sedan ones over about 4 months ago since we were re-doing the front bearings anyway... so glad I did as I know my cradles are in very good condition and the rubbers and new.
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Post by dave1800 on Aug 20, 2018 2:09:37 GMT
We have quite a few new members join recently which is of course good news. I appreciate it can be quite difficult to wade through all the topics here so it may be a good time to point out to them the potentially dangerous failures that can occur with the tie bars. Also it may be good time for everyone to think about checking them if this hasn't been done recently. suspension failures(Note you will need to be logged in to view thw above thread) If anyone has any interesting updates please post iwth pics if possible. Thanks David |
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Post by Penguin45 on Nov 22, 2020 15:07:44 GMT
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Post by tonymark3 on Nov 23, 2020 12:46:04 GMT
Scary stuff. I guess once there is a little movement/slack they deteriorate quite quickly. Surprisingly the bushes on mine showed very little evidence of deterioration after 111,000 miles. We used to tow with it as well.
However, I am now reminded of being on holiday in the Gower in the early 1980s and the right hand bracket had failed. Local dealers didn’t have one so I went to a breakers yard in Penclawdd to source the appropriate parts while my wife and four daughters stayed on the beach.
I have now contradicted myself!
I must have renewed the lot at about 80K.
As an aside, we were driving down a country lane in Pembrokeshire when we had to stop for a herd of cows. The bull that was with them leant on the offside front wing pushing the car sideways and sheared the top engine mount. We were lucky that time as there was a village garage with an engine mount in stock. Presumably the top mount classed as a consumable item.
Tony S
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Post by dave1800 on Nov 24, 2020 2:11:48 GMT
I wonder if deterioration of the lower arm bush could be the problem. The earlier 2 part versions could sometimes wear quickly. David Scary stuff. I guess once there is a little movement/slack they deteriorate quite quickly. ....... Tony S |
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Post by dave1800 on Apr 14, 2024 8:44:31 GMT
I think with the UK weather now forecast to improve at last that it is a good time to remind members of the potentially serious danger posed by tie rod bushes and lock-nut and other failures. These may not be identified at the MOT test for those of you that still have their vehicle checked as problems can often only be spotted by dismantling the "torpedo" mounting. This is covered in depth in the technical section under the suspension heading. You will need to be logged in to read it. Tie rodDavid |
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