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Post by Penguin45 on Sept 8, 2020 17:17:15 GMT
Intermittent MoT history, poor record and low milage usage. Nothing since 2011. I'd bet it's been laid up somewhere for that period. Seller's been fairly honest (to be honest!) but I supect the car is over-priced. £5k buys you a nice, tidy example. £4k for a car admitting that it needs work seems rather steep to me. If it could be made into a nice car for the £1k difference, maybe it'd be worth it, but resto work escalates very rapidly as more and more is revealed. As you have said, I'd be wary.
I wouldn't panic. 'Crabs turn up regularly in all sorts of states. Do you have an actual budget in mind? Whereabouts are you based? First one was in Poole as far as I could see and this one's in Durham.
Chris.
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Post by cybercontroller on Sept 8, 2020 17:43:54 GMT
Based in NW London area and the one on Sunday was near Portsmouth. It belongs to the brother-in-law of a friend and when he mentioned he was thinking of selling I was naturally interested. I first saw it a couple of years ago and he acquired it about four years ago. It was driven there and left. On the MOT histories, this one is far better than the one in Durham but obviously not going that far to look at a car that I suspect needs more work than the one I have seen. For me the amount of bodywork repairs needed are the deal breaker. I could manage to rub down the poor paintwork and probably have a go at some of the mechanics. The interior needs work but could manage a fair bit if I gave it a go. But the amount of welding I feel necessary is too much.
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Post by cybercontroller on Sept 8, 2020 17:48:11 GMT
I am content to wait for the right one of course and would go to £3,500 but that would be for the right one.
Selective of course, really looking for a Wolseley which must be automatic so the one at Bonhams in a couple of weeks ticks all the boxes except that one. I would go for a Mark I Austin 1800 as I like the styling but it is the memory of my father's two Wolseleys that sticks with me.
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Post by cybercontroller on Sept 8, 2020 19:12:56 GMT
And here is a shot of the engine bay. I am wondering what the stuff is that has reacted in that hose. And the disintegrated air filter CyCon7 by Penguin 45, on Flickr CyCon8 by Penguin 45, on Flickr
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Post by Penguin45 on Sept 8, 2020 19:27:11 GMT
Right. Boot - not serious. Bootlid shown earlier is repairable. Sill - that's the centre membrane disintegrating and flaking from the outer one. Looks like a previous repair present. Replacement only real solution. Sill and inner from Ray House £150 (I think). At least two days work to fit properly, plus whatever turns up - lower flange and localised floor repairs are typical. Floor - got to go. Bottom of bulkhead repair, then floor panel. Flat sheet, so easy fix. 4 - 6 hours. Engine bay. Nothing wrong with hose, that's just some insulation/lagging disintegrating. Non standard foam air filter fitted. Should be a large black metal housing and paper element. Chris.
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Post by Penguin45 on Sept 8, 2020 19:39:26 GMT
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Post by tonymark3 on Sept 8, 2020 20:39:39 GMT
Looks like a refurbed servo too, as has the aftermarket band. Tony S
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Post by dave1800 on Sept 9, 2020 0:53:49 GMT
Girling used to sell an overhaul kit back in the 1970s with a band like the one in the photo. David Looks like a refurbed servo too, as has the aftermarket band. Tony S
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Post by cybercontroller on Sept 9, 2020 10:32:48 GMT
If I had the welding skills and facilities, it might be viable as it is certainly a good project for someone. I took around 160 pictures on Sunday and there is a lot more to show. I have started my full write up as here;
Bodywork
Original colour was Battleship Grey as can be seen under the rear parcel shelf, the inside of the bonnet and at various places where the blue paint has peeled. Whatever is ultimately decided, the poor paintwork needs to be taken back to a better surface as the respray is not of a high quality. Large rust bubbles on the underside of the bootlid as well as more bubbling where the cars fit. Holed in NSR quarter valance Small dents on NS of rear bumper Surface rust on fuel tank Exhaust appears quite solid OSR quarter holed Both rear wheelarches have a fair bit of filler and have not been finished well. OSR has obviously lumps and NSR has bits coming loose. OSR door has rusty bottom. Certainly needs attention, hard to tell how much though. Underseal is peeling off the underside of the car below the rear door but the metalwork underneath looks surprisingly good. Looks to be holed at the front of the OS sill where it meets the wheelarch. Although the outer sills look pretty sound, there is rust in the jacking points giving a concern that the inner sills are in very poor condition. Hole in the bodywork near the OSF corner of the bumper. Corrosion in the NSF valance at the join with the bumper Spots around the headlight surround where paint has come away, may be evidence of more filler. Significant bubbling on the NSF door Some NSF underside corrosion Small dents in both the OS and NS of the roof probably caused by items being put on top of the car.
Interior
Interior is olive brown in colour and not original. This would have been red. A black carpet has been stuck down but does lift with gentle force. This is also not original. On lifting the carpet in the driver’s footwell, severe corrosion is apparent. Almost certainly this area will need replacing. There is some lesser corrosion on the passenger side which may be treatable. There is corresponding corrosion on the underside of the driver’s footwell. Two spare Morris seats in the back of the car and another panel on the rear floor Wooden door tops all missing varnish, NSF needs repair and some wood broken away as goes the OSF. The OSF and NSR may clean and polish up. Door cards and seats all seem in reasonable condition although the driver’s seat looks to have a repair and the rear panels of the seats do not stay attached. The wooden veneer dashboard has extensive lacquer peel with areas of the veneer missing, proper refurbishment will be required. The glovebox did not open using what looked to be the correct key. Windows are stiff to wind down.
Under Bonnet
More evidence of the original colour here which may avoid removing all the engine and part when the necessary respray is done to the original colour. However, quite extensive recommissioning work will be required and many components have corrosion inclusion the engine manifold, alternator, rocker cover and coolant lids. There is also corrosion on the carburettor and the air filter has all but disintegrated. Also something has reacted on one of the hoses.
Parts Needed
Boot lid – may be repairable but a lot of work on its own Air filter- this has disintegrated Driver’s side floorpan – severe corrosion, looks to be all the way through. Rear wheelarches – both appear to be mostly filler New Carpet – current black carpet looks to be a piece cut to size. Fair fit but should be replaced.
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Post by cybercontroller on Sept 9, 2020 10:35:12 GMT
Interesting to see the correct air filter set up on Chris's Austin. But there has been a lot of quality work done there. Would love to see that in the flesh.
I have seen Ray House advertising, currently has three Wolseley's for sale. Would one of them be more suitable for me?
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Post by Penguin45 on Sept 9, 2020 20:26:44 GMT
Well done, a thorough job and a realistic assessment of what needs to be done. It should give you a much better idea of what to expect on further visits as it's got elements of all the standard problems!
I have never had any dealings with Ray House so I can't say yay or nay about the chap. I'm told he's rather eccentric, but hey, he's probably the last man standing with new panels. I have no idea about the quality of his cars.
If you're heading Lancashire way, you are more than welcome to pop in for a cuppa and a spin round the area.
Chris.
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Post by tonymark3 on Sept 10, 2020 14:28:15 GMT
I bought a load of stuff from Ray. New clutch plate, inner and outer sills (only had offside i think so had to modify to fit other side) , exhaust , new discs etc........ He had a huge barn absolutely stuffed with exmilitary 1800 parts, most in good to fair condition. He did say he was getting rid of everything as nobody was interested in taking it all on.
He normally arranges to meet and then you follow him to site.
I found him good to deal with and he knows the value of the parts!
Tony S
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Post by cybercontroller on Sept 11, 2020 10:17:05 GMT
Something for me to consider in the future then. But of a hike but would do for the right car. Hope he wouldn't mind me giving them a thorough check though.
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Post by cybercontroller on Sept 17, 2020 9:35:09 GMT
For sale on Sunday
Looks very decent on the face of it
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Post by Penguin45 on Sept 17, 2020 12:28:31 GMT
NellCrab by Penguin 45, on Flickr NellCrab1 by Penguin 45, on Flickr Have a couple pf pics. Doesn't look bad at all. If it goes within the estimate, that might be well bought. Don't suppose you'll be able to get to see it? Chris.
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